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Rate of Change

Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Rate of Change
From Street <street@shellcrash.com>
Message-ID <XnsB32949BB44762streetshellcrashcom@62.164.182.22> (permalink)
Date 2025-07-27 11:14 +0000

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Time is not inherently linear. It is not merely a fourth axis in a fixed 
spacetime model. Rather, it emerges as both a perceptual and physical 
construct tied to the rate of change within systems. When this rate of 
change deviates significantly—especially in contexts involving mass and 
velocity—it can affect how time passes relative to an observer, producing 
measurable physical effects. In some cases, this may even lead to 
gravitational anomalies.

Traditionally, physics has treated time as a dimension much like length, 
width, and height. This is the foundation of the spacetime model 
introduced in Einstein’s theories of relativity. Yet there exists another 
interpretation that is equally grounded in scientific observation: that 
time is not a fixed background, but a derived property—a way of comparing 
how systems evolve. From the perspective of thermodynamics, time’s arrow 
points in the direction of increasing entropy, signifying that what we 
experience as the forward flow of time is actually a measure of 
irreversible change. In quantum mechanics, time behaves differently than 
in classical systems, often not even functioning as a dynamic operator in 
the same way space does. Even in relativity, the passage of time is not 
absolute. Instead, time is observed to flow differently depending on 
relative speed and gravitational conditions.

Einstein’s special relativity shows that time slows down for objects 
moving at high speeds. The faster something travels, the more slowly time 
passes for it relative to a stationary observer. General relativity 
extends this further, showing that strong gravitational fields also slow 
down time. These well-documented phenomena reveal that time is not 
immutable—it stretches and contracts in response to mass and motion. It 
is not strictly linear, but fluid and conditional, dependent on context 
and relative conditions. This supports the view that time is 
fundamentally tied to the rate of change rather than acting as an 
independent dimension.

On Earth, most of our experience occurs within a relatively stable 
gravitational field, and we tend to move at similar speeds. As a result, 
the rates of change we observe appear consistent and synchronized. This 
creates the illusion of linear, uniform time. However, this uniformity is 
local, not universal. A practical example is the necessity of correcting 
GPS satellite clocks for both gravitational and velocity-based time 
dilation. The technology depends on compensating for the slight but 
significant difference in the rate at which time passes at altitude and 
orbital speed compared to time on the surface of the Earth.

When we introduce systems involving rapid motion and concentrated mass, 
such as helicopter blades, we start to see more dramatic divergence in 
the rate of change. Helicopter blades are made of dense material and 
rotate at extremely high speeds. Although their tangential velocity is 
far below the speed of light, they nonetheless experience minor but real 
time dilation. These effects can be calculated using special relativity. 
While small in absolute terms, they become meaningful when considered as 
a differential from the Earth-normal time rate. The rotating blades are, 
in effect, operating in a slightly different temporal frame from the 
surrounding environment.

Extrapolating from this, if high-mass, high-speed rotation can compress 
local time, then it could also produce distortions in inertia and 
gravity. This is similar to ideas proposed in theoretical propulsion 
systems such as the Mach Effect and the Woodward drive, which posit that 
inertia and gravitational interaction are not fixed, but functions of 
changing energy states and time. In this framework, altering the rate of 
time locally could feasibly modify the experience of gravity.

Gravity, in general relativity, is described as the curvature of 
spacetime caused by mass and energy. If mass-energy can influence the 
passage of time, then the reverse may also be true: manipulating 
time—through changes in mass distribution or velocity—could affect 
gravitational force. This leads to the possibility of creating conditions 
that mimic or reduce gravity. In other words, if helicopter blades or 
other rotating mass systems can sufficiently alter their local time rate, 
they might generate a gravity-like reduction or repulsion. This 
conceptual model forms a speculative but not baseless approach to 
understanding so-called anti-gravity effects.

Some experimental anomalies, like the Podkletnov effect, have fueled this 
hypothesis. In these controversial experiments, a spinning 
superconducting disc appeared to reduce the weight of objects placed 
above it. While unconfirmed and highly debated, such results suggest that 
the interaction between mass, motion, and local time rates could produce 
measurable changes in gravitational behavior. Another reference for this 
is Eric Laithwaite, a British electrical engineer, became known for his 
work with linear induction motors and his controversial claims about 
gyroscopes and "anti-gravity."

Taken together, these observations support the idea that time is best 
understood not as a linear axis but as an emergent property of changing 
systems. When the rate of change departs significantly from the 
norm—particularly in high-mass, high-velocity systems—relativistic time 
dilation occurs, potentially affecting inertia and gravity. While much of 
this remains theoretical, the underlying principle aligns with known 
physics. The notion that localized time differentials could manifest as 
anti-gravity is not inherently unscientific. It is a provocative 
extension of established principles and invites further exploration into 
the true nature of time and its relationship to motion, matter, and the 
forces that shape our universe.

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Rate of Change Street <street@shellcrash.com> - 2025-07-27 11:14 +0000
  Re: Rate of Change Willilam Babuh <bim@aimwi.ru> - 2025-07-27 11:39 +0000
  Re: Rate of Change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-07-27 13:59 +0200
    Re: Rate of Change Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-07-27 18:03 +0200
      Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-07-28 20:27 +0200
        Re: Rate of Change "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-07-30 22:33 +0200
          Re: Rate of Change Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-07-31 06:03 +0200
          Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-07-30 22:56 -0700
            Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-07-31 23:27 -0700
              Re: Rate of Change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-08-01 09:50 +0200
          Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-07-31 08:43 +0200
            Re: Rate of Change "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-07-31 22:16 +0200
              Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-01 09:53 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-08-01 22:31 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-01 23:42 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-02 10:11 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-01 23:45 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-02 10:04 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-08-02 11:36 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-03 08:06 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change Edmund Balanovski <bmesnl@akvdb.ru> - 2025-08-03 09:54 +0000
                Re: Rate of Change "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-08-03 22:35 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-03 22:05 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-04 09:06 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-04 09:11 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change squalk <sq@net.inv> - 2025-08-04 18:01 +0100
                Re: Rate of Change Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-04 17:23 +0000
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-04 12:40 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-04 22:43 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-05 09:46 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-05 21:30 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-07 10:12 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-10 06:20 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-10 23:34 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-12 08:55 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change Marcelino Valchikovsky <vch@kosiea.ru> - 2025-08-12 08:19 +0000
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-15 10:29 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-16 07:23 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change Bubba Kalimahi <mkiu@miiibak.ru> - 2025-08-16 10:34 +0000
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-17 10:30 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change Bowen Metrofanis <nomo@sbbeww.gr> - 2025-08-17 13:07 +0000
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-18 09:13 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-17 22:17 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-18 09:39 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-20 01:07 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-04 08:59 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-08-04 11:51 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-04 09:17 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-04 09:24 -0700
                Re: Rate of Change Percival Dudorov <duadc@dlo.ru> - 2025-08-04 14:33 +0000
                Re: Rate of Change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-05 09:00 +0200
                Re: Rate of Change Johnathon Babadzhanov <nbnz@daa.ru> - 2025-08-05 11:51 +0000
          Re: Rate of Change Moshe Stavropoulos <eeou@svh.gr> - 2025-07-31 16:08 +0000
            Re: Rate of Change Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-07-31 19:54 +0200
  Re: Rate of Change Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-07-27 07:47 -0700
    Re: Rate of Change Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-08 13:02 -0800
  Re: Rate of Change ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-07-27 15:04 +0000
  Re: Rate of Change ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-07-27 15:11 +0000
  Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-07-27 11:05 -0700
    Re: Rate of Change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-02 10:15 -0700

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