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Re: spreadsheet ergonomics

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Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 4/5/17, 6:46 PM, in article avz89c3.ajvic@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/5/17, 5:08 PM, in article lazv90g.ab@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/5/17, 1:39 PM, in article azkci893a.a@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> So "duplicate" makes a duplicate but doesn't delete the original, and
>>>>>>>> "save as" creates a copy and doesn't delete the original; but
>>>>>>>> "duplicate" and "save as" "do different things."  Granny is confused.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> First, with no sarcasm or insult, I commend you for admitting to an area
>>>>>>> of computing you are ignorant about. All too often in COLA people see
>>>>>>> that as a weakness and refuse to do so. You have little experience with
>>>>>>> such systems... and even if you did you still might not know.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But before we get to the differences, I want to make sure you realize
>>>>>>> that we are now talking about multiple features here:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> * Renaming a file (which can be done open or not)
>>>>>>> * Moving a file (which can be done open or not)
>>>>>>> * Labeling a file (which can be done open or not)
>>>>>>> * Duplicating a file (which can be done open or not)
>>>>>>> * Saving a file (which can only be done if open)
>>>>>>> * Saving as a new file (which can only be done if open)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What is the difference between "duplicating" an open file and "save as"?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Again, happy to answer but first want to make sure you are clear of the
>>>>> basics: NEITHER is the same as moving, renaming, or labeling of a file.
>>>>> That
>>>>> is what we were discussing before you moved the topic to Duplicating vs.
>>>>> Save / Save As.
>>>> 
>>>> Again, no answer.
>>> 
>>> I spoke about features A, B, and C. You moved goal posts to features D and E
>>> (which are closely tied with F). You want to know how D and E are different.
>>> Fine. But since you moved goal posts to those features and did so in a way
>>> that suggested you did not understand you moved goal posts I want to make
>>> sure you understand before we delve into your side topic.
>>> 
>>> I have asked you multiple times and you are just lost. So be it. You are
>>> lost. 
>>> 
>>>> Just face it.  Apple screwed up an put in differently named
>>>> menu items that do the same thing.
>>> 
>>> Nope. Not the case at all, but I accept YOU do not understand the difference
>>> and are ignorant enough of basic file tasks where you show no understanding
>>> you even jumped topics.
>>> 
>>> So, AGAIN, do you understand that renaming and moving and labeling a file
>>> (what we were first talking about) are DIFFERENT features than the Saving
>>> and Duplicating files (the topics you jumped to). If no, which it seems,
>>> then I am happy to explain the difference. If yes, though, then we can jump
>>> forward on your side issue.
>>> 
>>> Not putting you down for thread drift. Not putting you down for not
>>> understanding features you do no use. But for crying out loud, if you are
>>> going to ask questions then be open with what you do and do not know so we
>>> do not end up in the type of circus this is becoming.
>> 
>> So you're not going to answer.
> 
> I already have multiple times, including above. If you care to stop pushing
> your circus here and have a conversation I am open to it. If not let us end
> this discussion here.
> 
>> And the reason is obvious.  "Duplicate" an open file means the exact same
>> thing as "Save As..."
> 
> For folks such as you who show not understanding of either, no less why they
> are different than renaming and moving a file, sure. Once you understand why
> these two are different than the topics we were discussing, though, you will
> be ready to understand how they are different. But you are not interested in
> that, so, sure, for someone at a novice level who cannot understand such
> things and is confused by all of this, yes, they are FUNCTIONALLY the
> same... unusable. 
> 
>> They may as well have had menu items for tables and sheets.
> 
> They who? You keep jumping topics from one thing to the other... showing
> very poor understanding or desire to even learn. So be it.
> 
> Hey, call Marek into the conversation... I bet he will be happy to join you
> in mocking me over his ignorance over these topics. :)
> 

This one must really hurt.  I haven't seen you dance so hard in a long time.

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