Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs)

From	Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
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Subject	Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs)
Date	2020-09-04 22:29 +0100
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olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> writes:

> On 9/4/2020 11:04 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 9/4/2020 5:48 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> <cut>
>>>> It is simply that: a P that gets P(<[P^], [P^]>)
>>>> right.  Not any of the traces, or UTMs, or virtual machines on which you
>>>> are wasting your time,
>>>
>>> So it it gets it right through a quadrillion five-tuple steps where no
>>> one can possibly see the details of how it gets it right people will
>>> naturally take my word when I say that it gets it right?
>>
>> "It's the program, stupid" (paraphrasing Carville).  People reason about
>> programs; they won't believe the output of whatever it is you've been
>> wasting your time on.  
>
> People will not actually carefully examine the program they will glance at it and then make comments about how it is terribly insufficient because everyone knows that a program such as this cannot possibly work.
>
> Basically I will get the exact same sort of feedback that I got from
> my correct Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability refutation.

That's interesting.  You think you said something of value about that.
Presumably your paper to JAMS was rejected, or did you not bother to
write one?

>>> OK great so everyone will accept a black box machine that simply
>>> returns a Boolean, all that I have to do is assert that the Boolean
>>> value is the correct value and there won't be on person on Earth that
>>> does not simply believe me.
<cut>
>>> Since an Oracle machine is a black box how would you know the answer
>>> is not right?
>>
>> By knowing what <[P^], [P^]> means and therefore the constraints on what
>> the right answer can be.  Are you beginning to get a hint of what might
>> be wrong with your claim?  Even with an oracle the answer will be wrong.
>
> Not really not at all.

There are essentially only two possible oracles machines for this task.
One that says "yes" and another that says "no".

Of course, taken literally, there are lots more.  For every oracle
machine that prints "yes" right away, there is one that print the lyrics
of "Rule, Britannia!" first.  And there a countless variations that so
other things for the inputs we don't care about.  But none of that
matters -- we'll take the simplest oracle machines we can come up with.
In effect, both the possible oracle machines are one-line programs and
their execution traces for the key case are trivial:

  Py started with input "...." (the input string will appear here)
  Check Py's oracle for an answer for this input.
  Input matched! Print "yes".

and the trace for the other possible machine is

  Pn started with input "...." (the input string will appear here)
  Check Pn's oracle for an answer for this input.
  Input matched! Print "no".

Your program, and its trace (if you ever post them) will be much longer,
but the last line will still be either "yes" or "no".  Your dreaded
critics will then show you why that's the wrong answer (in exactly the
same way I'll show that both of the above are wrong if you decide you'd
like to know).  They will be able to do this regardless of what the
program is, or what the trace shows, because neither of those details
matter to the outcome.

> I can only circumvent the presumption that H_hat cannot possibly
> correctly decide halting on itself by showing the detailed steps of
> how it does this.

It's not a presumption.  2n is constructed from n so as to be even.
Nothing can "circumvent the presumption that 2n cannot possibly be odd"
because it's not a presumption, it's a fact.

M^ is constructed from M so that neither yes or no is the correct answer
to M(<[M^], [M^]>).  That's not a presumption you can circumvent in any
way at all -- it's just a fact.

You think you have found such a M, but you haven't.  You have not
upturned logic.  Many more months will pass before you find this out, if
you ever do.  Thinking about an oracle machine version of your claim
might help you see that, but I think you are too invested in being right
to even go there.

And as for the bias...  Maybe you would quietly wait 20 months while the
person claiming to have a TM that calculates an n such that 2n is even
waffles on about x86 UTM virtual machine infrastructure.  Maybe you
would even offer encouragement: "yes, I agree that a remainder on
dividing by 2 is will refute the '2n is even theorem' -- keep going!".

In fact, I would hope you would tell then to stop trying because no such
TM exists, and after that tactic fails, I hope you would just keep
asking for either the answer or the program.  We've been through these
stages with you.

<cut>
>> Why don't you ask me some questions?  Why not try to find out what an
>> oracle machine really is (your Wiki quote does not explain it).  Ask a
>> bit more about how I can be so sure an oracle machine won't help you.
>
> We might as well ask what a magic wizard can do.

Yes, we could.  Neither a TM, nor a wizard nor God can find an n such
that 2n is even.  It really helps to think about why the claim would be
wrong even if made by an all-powerful deity.

It's exactly the same with a P that gets P(<[P^], [P^]>) right.  God
can't do it, a wizard can't do it, an oracle machine can't do it and
neither can a boring old TM or some x86 code.

> Oracle machines can
> only exist hypothetically thus making them pure fictions.

TMs are also pure fictions yet you have invested at least a decade in
trying to say something about them.  Mathematical fictions are the whole
basis for the last decade of your life.

-- 
Ben.

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                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 10:28 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 12:51 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-25 12:30 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 13:50 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 12:50 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 15:14 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 12:29 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 14:41 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 12:54 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 15:27 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 13:38 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 16:36 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-25 23:35 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 18:01 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 17:07 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 20:07 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 16:32 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 15:40 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 18:12 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 17:31 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 19:52 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-26 03:37 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 22:12 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-26 12:58 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 09:38 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-26 17:36 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 12:26 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-26 20:43 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 15:12 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-26 22:40 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Alan Smaill <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> - 2020-08-26 18:28 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 12:36 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-26 19:41 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 14:03 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-26 21:17 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 15:42 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-26 22:37 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 16:47 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 15:41 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 18:15 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 17:32 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 19:59 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (Chris Rock Speaks for God) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 20:18 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-28 10:12 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-28 10:20 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-28 10:25 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-28 09:39 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-28 11:25 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-28 10:42 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-28 11:59 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-28 11:45 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-28 17:52 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-28 12:08 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-28 11:19 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-28 12:50 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-28 22:34 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2020-08-29 03:06 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 08:27 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-29 07:44 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 09:26 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-29 08:58 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 10:12 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-30 07:38 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V51 (Turing Equivalent) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 11:11 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 10:29 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-29 17:47 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 12:32 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 14:01 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-29 20:03 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 14:48 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-29 21:35 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 16:00 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-29 23:32 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 18:20 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-30 02:24 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 21:17 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2020-08-29 23:15 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2020-08-29 22:57 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-29 22:13 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2020-08-29 23:27 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 03:27 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 16:26 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-29 23:53 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 18:33 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-30 02:35 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 21:36 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-30 15:38 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V51 (Making "C" Turing equivalent) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 11:42 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V51 (Making "C" Turing equivalent) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-30 20:05 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V51 (Making "C" Turing equivalent) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 14:17 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 14:37 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 13:10 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 15:19 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 14:22 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 16:58 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-31 02:48 +0100
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2020-08-31 02:08 +0000
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2020-08-31 09:49 +0100
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2020-08-31 13:59 +0000
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2020-08-31 16:13 +0100
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2020-08-31 15:24 +0000
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-31 19:26 +0100
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2020-08-31 21:37 +0000
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-31 23:56 +0100
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2020-08-31 23:10 +0000
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-01 02:28 +0100
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2020-09-01 02:02 +0000
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-01 03:16 +0100
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2020-09-01 02:29 +0000
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-31 08:58 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-01 00:04 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-02 09:55 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-02 12:03 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-03 06:12 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 09:46 -0500
                Re: Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2020-09-03 14:23 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2020-09-03 21:28 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 16:51 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2020-09-03 23:20 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 17:31 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2020-09-04 01:56 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 20:15 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 20:29 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2020-09-04 02:47 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 21:08 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 03:52 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 22:15 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 22:41 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 05:14 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 23:37 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 15:28 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 16:16 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-03 16:13 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 12:05 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 02:50 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 22:02 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 05:05 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 23:42 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 11:48 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 08:41 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 17:04 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 11:36 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 22:29 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 14:42 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 22:53 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 17:51 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-05 02:25 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 20:34 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-05 23:58 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2020-09-05 17:59 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 20:58 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-04 22:50 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 00:21 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-05 09:49 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 09:34 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-05 11:03 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 11:20 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 10:40 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 12:12 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 11:42 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 13:17 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 12:33 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 14:16 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-05 16:19 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 15:31 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-05 17:19 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2020-09-05 23:01 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2020-09-05 17:52 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-05 21:12 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-06 02:32 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 13:08 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 21:49 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2020-09-06 04:35 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 22:50 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 22:58 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-06 08:47 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 11:42 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-06 11:43 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 13:04 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-06 16:07 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 15:14 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-06 21:42 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 16:16 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-06 14:18 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 13:32 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-06 12:59 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 14:18 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-06 13:37 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 14:44 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-06 14:02 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 15:22 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-06 17:02 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 16:22 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-06 18:19 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 17:39 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-06 20:23 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 20:23 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-06 21:51 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 21:10 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-07 00:59 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 21:02 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-06 22:51 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 22:10 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 15:29 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 15:52 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-06 00:05 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 15:28 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-05 23:09 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 00:40 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-06 02:25 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-04 22:45 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 00:06 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 00:03 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 09:20 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 09:34 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 11:32 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 10:48 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 12:21 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-05 23:18 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 12:47 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 08:51 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 17:11 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 11:39 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2020-09-03 22:44 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> - 2020-09-04 11:09 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 13:34 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2020-08-31 00:23 +0100
                Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 001 [Providing unlimited memory access to C] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 19:17 -0500
                Re: Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 001 [Providing unlimited memory access to C] Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2020-08-31 09:59 +0100
                Re: Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 001 [Providing unlimited memory access to C] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-31 08:47 -0500
                Re: Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 001 [Providing unlimited memory access to C] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-02 09:58 -0500
                Re: Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 001 [Providing unlimited memory access to C] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-03 03:37 +0100
                Re: Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 001 [Providing unlimited memory access to C] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-02 21:50 -0500
                Re: Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 001 [Providing unlimited memory access to C] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-02 22:04 -0500
                Re: Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 007 [Mapping x86 to Turing Equivalent] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-02 22:30 -0500
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2020-08-31 02:16 +0000
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-30 20:43 -0400
                Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 001 [Providing unlimited memory access to C] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 20:21 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-30 07:27 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V51 (Making "C" Turing equivalent) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 10:21 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-29 01:24 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Making "C" Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 14:51 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-23 10:18 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-23 17:51 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-23 12:29 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-23 22:12 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-23 16:23 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 16:19 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V46 (Honest dialogue?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-22 18:46 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V46 (Honest dialogue?) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 17:55 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V46 (Honest dialogue?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-22 20:14 -0500

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