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Re: bart again (UCX64)

From Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: bart again (UCX64)
Date 2023-09-05 15:10 -0700
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Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> On 05/09/2023 21:37, David Brown wrote:
>> On 05/09/2023 21:57, Bart wrote:
>>> 6.8.6.4p1 says:
>>> It doesn't say anything about Non-void functions, so we have to
>>> draw inferences: presumably (1) must be 'Only here', and (2) must
>>> be 'Not allowed'. So:
>>>
>>>                     (Proc)        (Func)           (My terms)
>>>                     Void func     Non-void func
>>>
>>>    return expr;     N             Y
>>>
>>>    return;          Y             N

I believe that's an accurate summary of 6.8.6.4p1.

[...]

> So my summary was wrong. It is more like this:
>
>                      (Proc)        (Func)           (My terms)
>                      Void func     Non-void func
>
>     return expr;     N             Optional
>
>     return;          Optional      N

It's true that a return statement is optional, but it's not 6.8.6.4p1
that says so.

(In fact the standard doesn't *explicitly* say that a return statement
is optional.  It follows from the fact that there is no rule requiring a
return statement, and from explicit statements about what happens if the
closing } of a non-void function is reached.)

> Optional for a procedure is right, since running into the end of the
> function is OK because the compiler will ensure there is a 'return'
> there.
> 
> So my main disagreement is with the Optional return of non-void
> functions (which I've now given up on), and how seriously
> infringements of those 'N' cases are reported.

At least you *finally* agree about what the standard says.  Perhaps now
we can discuss the reasons.

The standard does not require a diagnostic for reaching the closing } of
a non-void function because it's impossible to detect that at compile
time in all cases.

It does not require a diagnostic for a non-void function that doesn't
have a return statement *somewhere* because that would miss a lot of
potential errors (this is my speculation about the reason):

    int func(void) {
        if (rand() % 2 == 0) return 42;
    }

A future edition of the standard *could* require a diagnostic for
a non-void function that can reach the closing } given certain
assumptions.  I've quoted the requirement from C# that does this
and suggested that it could be adapted for C.  It requires analysis
that most compilers already do for the purpose of optimization and
issuing optional warnings.  Someone would have to make a formal
proposal, and it would have to be approved by WG14.  It was not
done originally because (I speculate) the required analysis would
have been a significant burden on compilers at the time, and perhaps
nobody thought of it.

Meanwhile, any (conforming) C compiler is free to do that analysis and
issue a non-fatal warning if it can determine that a non-void function
will, or even might, reach its closing }.  It can even reject such a
program in a non-conforming mode.  gcc and clang can be made to do so
with the right options.

I suppose another possibility would be to require an implicit call to
abort() immediately before the closing } of any non-void function (other
than main()).  The call could be optimized away if the compiler can
determine that it's never reached.  Such a requirement would not apply
to a freestanding implementation.  I haven't decided whether that would
be a good idea or not.

[...]

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Will write code for food.
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 04:29 -0700
  Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-10 12:57 +0100
    Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 05:07 -0700
      Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-10 13:14 +0100
        Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 06:53 -0700
        Re: bart again (UCX64) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2023-08-16 11:52 +0000
    Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-16 02:31 +0100
      Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 03:30 -0700
        Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-28 11:43 +0100
          Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 03:47 -0700
    Re: bart again (UCX64) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 18:43 -0700
  Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 04:59 -0700
  Re: bart again (UCX64) Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2023-08-28 17:45 +0300
    Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 19:19 -0700
      Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-29 22:01 +0100
        Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-29 20:00 -0700
          Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 00:25 -0700
            Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 01:35 -0700
          Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-30 11:38 +0100
            Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 07:06 -0700
              Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-30 15:53 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 12:46 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-30 22:59 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 15:54 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 00:17 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 16:30 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 11:58 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 05:32 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 14:45 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 07:43 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 15:56 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 08:38 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 12:56 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-31 22:09 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 10:12 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 23:53 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-31 14:39 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-31 20:56 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-31 14:36 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 15:30 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 16:17 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-31 19:36 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 20:26 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 13:17 -0700
                Verbosity in command output (Was: bart again (UCX64)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-08-31 21:43 +0000
                Re: Verbosity in command output (Was: bart again (UCX64)) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-31 23:31 +0000
                Re: Verbosity in command output (Was: bart again (UCX64)) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 21:36 -0700
                Re: Verbosity in command output (Was: bart again (UCX64)) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 17:22 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 23:07 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 15:32 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-31 22:05 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-31 22:07 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 23:18 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-31 23:03 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 16:46 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 01:44 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 18:09 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 18:11 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 18:14 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 01:38 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 02:40 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 01:29 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 20:28 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 11:10 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 12:01 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 13:20 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 13:08 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 13:39 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 15:29 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 14:32 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 18:14 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 19:01 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 18:53 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-01 14:53 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 15:57 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-01 19:07 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 19:27 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 18:55 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 21:27 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 20:46 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 22:29 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 22:19 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-03 13:56 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 15:31 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-03 16:05 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 03:17 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 10:34 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 03:07 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 11:43 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 04:21 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 17:16 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 18:33 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-05 01:33 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-04 15:27 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 17:18 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-04 16:26 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 19:33 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-04 19:17 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 20:48 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 21:25 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-04 21:56 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-05 01:34 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 21:06 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 13:09 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 16:04 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 00:52 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 17:16 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 15:33 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-09-05 14:55 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bobby Moore <bobbymoore018@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 08:30 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-05 17:31 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 18:06 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 17:54 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-05 20:10 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 20:57 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-05 22:37 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 22:05 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 15:10 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-06 22:32 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-07 06:49 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-06 16:08 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 07:53 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-06 17:35 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 09:37 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-06 20:49 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-09-06 19:51 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 12:52 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-07 00:36 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-06 17:06 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 18:47 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-07 11:11 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 04:04 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-07 13:24 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-06 18:13 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-06 21:17 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-06 22:24 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-07 11:37 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-07 11:53 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-07 13:33 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 14:36 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-07 22:59 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 16:58 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-08 00:35 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 20:41 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 20:47 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 14:07 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 22:22 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 15:26 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-09-05 18:26 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-09-07 23:15 -0400
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 13:48 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 21:36 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-05 13:24 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 15:46 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-02 17:44 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-02 01:14 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 18:13 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-02 01:43 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-02 17:51 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-02 17:58 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-02 23:28 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 20:09 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-03 07:15 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 03:03 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-03 18:53 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 16:24 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-03 12:22 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 02:01 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-05 21:40 -0700
                [OT] Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-06 17:06 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 18:02 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 10:39 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-09-02 07:33 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 16:26 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-09-02 09:03 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 19:22 +0100
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-06 16:45 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 06:49 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-05 05:30 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 17:16 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-06 08:47 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-06 19:57 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-06 19:01 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-09-09 01:14 -0400
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-09 05:22 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 12:51 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 12:58 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-02 16:29 +0000
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 00:08 +0100
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 02:41 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-02 17:49 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 18:32 +0000
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-09-03 15:54 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-03 19:50 +0200
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 18:16 +0000
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