Re: bart again (UCX64)

From	Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: bart again (UCX64)
Date	2023-09-03 00:08 +0100
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Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

> On 02/09/2023 01:14, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>> 
>>> On 01/09/2023 19:07, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 01/09/2023 14:53, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01/09/2023 13:08, Richard Harnden wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 01/09/2023 12:01, Bart wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are talking about compilers like gcc where you make up your own rules
>>>>>>>>> as to show strictly you want your program treated:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      gcc prog.c              zero warnings, writes .exe
>>>>>>>>>      gcc @options prog.c     10000 warnings, but it still writes .exe
>>>>>>>>>      gcc @options prog.c     10000 warning and 1 error, no .exe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which would you choose as the one and only behaviour?
>>>> No answer?  I'll look at the rest of your post, if you decide to address
>>>> this point...
>> 
>>> You want an answer, I'd go with the first, since then the three compilers I
>>> use the most work the same way.
>>>
>>> That's not completely satisfactory,
>> It's totally unacceptable to me and, I suspect, a lot of other people.
>> I usually don't want gcc extensions and I want to be able specify the
>> ISO C standard to use at the very least.  But I also want as much help
>> spotting errors as the compiler can give me.
>> 
>>> since there are aspects of the C language I think are too unsafe, but:
>>>
>>> * Have to be passed because they are legal C
>>>
>>> * Cannot reliably be detected by a compiler
>>>
>>> * Are too extensively used in legacy code to be just outlawed.
>> Yet you want to stop people from having hundreds of helpful diagnostics.
>> I suspect you don't mean what you seem to have said -- that gcc should
>> always behave in it's default mode.  But if that is not what you meant
>> to say then you have not answered the question at all.
>> You say, dismissively, that one can "make up ones your rules" with gcc,
>> so I am asking for you to say exactly what you don't want me to be able
>> to ask for in terms of checking and/or its absence.  Just how crippled
>> and annoying would I find gcc to be if you were in charge?  How much
>> choice will you take away?
>
> It seems you want a tool different from what I have in mind. I want a
> straightforward compiler that defaults to the latest version of a language,
> that does not allow user-specified variations.

Odd.  I thought you used gcc's labels as values extension.  Maybe you
mean you want gcc to use the latest version of GNU-C, the language not
entirely unlike standard C.

Anyway, it's clear that I would not want the compiler you want.

> But it sounds like the C standard itself gives too much leeway in this
> matter anyway. There is apparently no one C language that says that 'int
> fred(void){}' must be illegal.

No C source code is literally illegal.  But to get closer to what you
might mean, that function definition violates no constraint in any
C standard to date.

> It also seems like your programs are't even fully specified by the C code
> you write: as well as dozens of compiler options, pragmas and attributes
> within the code, scripts using Bash, Make and M4 are involved, plus
> whatever further languages and config tools might be dragged in, or piled
> on top.

You are off in some fantasy world.

> This is on top of whatever mini-DSLs might be created with the
> preprocessor. And on top of the variations made possibly by the language's
> loosely defined type system.
>
> As I've said many

many, many, many

> times, this is too chaotic for my taste. It is just far
> too open-ended. And it currently panders far too much to ancient legacy
> code and options in /all/ those languages, scripts and tools.

It must be very surprising to you (and possibly annoying) that a
language you consider to be so very deeply flawed has been so wildly
successful.  I used to find it annoying when I was trying to teach
people to write programs using cleaner, higher-level languages[1], but I
never found it totally surprising because I understood something of the
social, economic and technical context in which C operated.  I might
have taught concurrent and distributed systems using SR[2], but all the
protocols and systems in my research projects used C.

[1] There was a deep vein of "when do we learn proper programming in C"
    in some of the classes.

[2] https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/sr/  (That makes me feel old.  SR's
    /successor/ is now obsolete.)

-- 
Ben.

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        Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-30 15:53 +0100
          Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 12:46 -0700
            Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-30 22:59 +0100
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 20:26 +0100
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 13:20 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 13:08 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 13:39 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 15:29 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 14:32 +0100
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 15:57 +0100
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 19:27 +0100
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-04 19:17 +0000
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 15:33 +0100
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-05 22:37 +0200
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-06 21:17 +0200
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 14:07 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 22:22 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 15:26 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-09-05 18:26 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 13:48 -0700
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-05 13:24 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 15:46 -0700
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 18:13 -0700
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                [OT] Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-06 17:06 +0100
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 17:48 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 19:12 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 18:49 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 21:33 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 21:09 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 22:41 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 22:34 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 15:51 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 14:06 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-02 17:27 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 16:02 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 01:50 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-02 01:12 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 19:13 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 11:57 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-02 18:19 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 19:53 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-03 06:32 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-03 16:02 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-03 18:11 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-03 11:31 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 20:07 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-03 22:08 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 03:16 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-04 10:54 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 11:06 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 14:54 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 22:02 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-05 01:31 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 02:24 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-06 04:29 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 21:06 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 01:03 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-06 13:07 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 18:30 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-06 03:04 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-09-04 14:14 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-04 16:59 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 15:41 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-04 18:15 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 18:57 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-02 17:10 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 13:13 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-02 22:50 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 14:54 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 19:02 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-02 22:42 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 15:08 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 02:00 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 23:18 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 02:28 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-03 06:58 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 15:52 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-03 11:02 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-03 16:25 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 16:49 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-03 16:16 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-02 18:11 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 22:08 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-03 16:48 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 14:52 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-03 02:23 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 03:47 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-03 18:44 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-03 18:01 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-03 16:59 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 17:50 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 10:43 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 02:17 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 13:26 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 11:35 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 13:39 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 14:09 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 15:33 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 05:14 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 17:41 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-09-01 18:21 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 14:31 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 22:39 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-02 07:07 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-31 19:17 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-31 19:28 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 21:03 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 11:23 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 20:50 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-31 23:12 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 02:25 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 20:37 -0700
      Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 07:51 -0700
        Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-30 16:09 +0100
          Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-30 20:17 +0100

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