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Re: bart again (UCX64)

From Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: bart again (UCX64)
Date 2023-09-30 15:55 -0700
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Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
>>>>> On 04/09/2023 12:06, Bart wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>>>   char* fred(void) {
>>>>>>   (long long int)rand()*3.14159;
>>>>>>   }
>>>>>>   int main(void) {
>>>>>>   printf("%s\n", fred());
>>>>>>   }
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> As you know, it is not valid C code.  As you know, proper C compilers
>>>>> will - at least - warn you about it when asked to treat the input
>>>>> according to the C standards.  As you know, there isn't a compiler in
>>>>> the world for any language which will stop programmers from writing
>>>>> incorrect code.
>>>>
>>>> Given the context of the discussion, pedantry seems appropriate.
>>>>
>>>> It's invalid C code because it doesn't declare rand() and printf(),
>>>> correctable by adding `#include <stdlib.h>` and `#include <stdio.h>`.
>>>> (It also contains NO-BREAK SPACE characters, but that's that's just a
>>>> Usenet formatting issue.)
>>>>
>>>> Other than that, a conforming C compiler is not required to diagnose
>>>> the above code.  It does have undefined behavior, and a C compiler is
>>>> likely to warn about it with appropriate warnings, but it does not
>>>> violate any syntax rule or constraint.
>>>
>>> I say it does.
>>
>> If you're right, then gcc 13.2.0 and clang 16.0.0 have a bug.  Both
>> compile the above code (once the required #include directives are added)
>> without error, though clang prints a couple of optional warnings.  I used
>> "-std=c17 -pedantic-errors" with both compilers.  (With "-Wall", gcc
>> prints warnings similar to the ones clang prints without it.)
>>
>> What syntax rule or constraint does it violate?
>
> I'm sorry the point I was trying to make got lost.  I was
> hoping for some value to result from my comment, and I feel
> bad that that is unlikely to happen.  I'll try to do better
> next time.

I'm sorry you chose not to answer my simple and direct question.

What syntax rule or constraint does the code violate?

Also, what was the point you were trying to make?

I asserted that the code (after adding the required #include
directives) does not violate any syntax rule or constraint.
You asserted that it does, but didn't elaborate.  I asked you
directly what syntax rule or constraint it violates.

I can't imagine a valid rationale for refusing to answer that
question, and I find your behavior very frustrating.  My frustration
is compounded by the fact that, for whatever reason, you gave no
response at all for several weeks.

I am, for now, convinced that the code in question has undefined
behavior but does not violate any syntax error or constraint.
I respect your technical abilities enough that I'm hesitant to assume
that you're wrong, but that's the only conclusion I can make unless
you choose to explain what you're talking about.

>> Does it occur to you that you would save everyone a lot of time if
>> you'd explain what you mean in the first place?
>
> You say that like you think saving people time should always
> be my highest priority.  It isn't, at least not always.
> When there is some tension between two or more areas of
> consideration usually (at least) one has to be shortchanged.
> I prioritize the factors I think are the most important in
> each particular case.  I'm sorry if my choices seem poor to
> you but I need to follow the path that I think has the best
> chance of success.

No, I'm not saying saving people time should "always be [your]
highest priority".  That's an absurd exaggeration.  I'm saying
that it should be one thing for you to consider.  You mention the
"best chance of success".  Success at what?

I'm having great difficulty reaching a conclusion other than that
you're being rude, inconsiderate, and deliberately evasive, for no
reason that I can discern.  I think that's probably not your intent.
I welcome any clarification you can offer.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Will write code for food.
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 04:29 -0700
  Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-10 12:57 +0100
    Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 05:07 -0700
      Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-10 13:14 +0100
        Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 06:53 -0700
        Re: bart again (UCX64) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2023-08-16 11:52 +0000
    Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-16 02:31 +0100
      Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 03:30 -0700
        Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-28 11:43 +0100
          Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 03:47 -0700
    Re: bart again (UCX64) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 18:43 -0700
  Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 04:59 -0700
  Re: bart again (UCX64) Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2023-08-28 17:45 +0300
    Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 19:19 -0700
      Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-29 22:01 +0100
        Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-29 20:00 -0700
          Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 00:25 -0700
            Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 01:35 -0700
          Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-30 11:38 +0100
            Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 07:06 -0700
              Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-30 15:53 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 12:46 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-30 22:59 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 15:54 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 00:17 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 16:30 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 11:58 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 05:32 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 14:45 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 07:43 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 15:56 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 08:38 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 12:56 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-31 22:09 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 10:12 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 23:53 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-31 14:39 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-31 20:56 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-31 14:36 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 15:30 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 16:17 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-31 19:36 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 20:26 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 13:17 -0700
                Verbosity in command output (Was: bart again (UCX64)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-08-31 21:43 +0000
                Re: Verbosity in command output (Was: bart again (UCX64)) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-31 23:31 +0000
                Re: Verbosity in command output (Was: bart again (UCX64)) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 21:36 -0700
                Re: Verbosity in command output (Was: bart again (UCX64)) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 17:22 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 23:07 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 15:32 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-31 22:05 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-31 22:07 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 23:18 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-31 23:03 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 16:46 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 01:44 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 18:09 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 18:11 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 18:14 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 01:38 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 02:40 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 01:29 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 20:28 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 11:10 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 12:01 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 13:20 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 13:08 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 13:39 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 15:29 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 14:32 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 18:14 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 19:01 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 18:53 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-01 14:53 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 15:57 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-01 19:07 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 19:27 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 18:55 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 21:27 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 20:46 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 22:29 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 22:19 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-03 13:56 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 15:31 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-03 16:05 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 03:17 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 10:34 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 03:07 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 11:43 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 04:21 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 17:16 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 18:33 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-05 01:33 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-04 15:27 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 17:18 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-04 16:26 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 19:33 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-04 19:17 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 20:48 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 21:25 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-04 21:56 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-05 01:34 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 21:06 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 13:09 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 16:04 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 00:52 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 17:16 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 15:33 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-09-05 14:55 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bobby Moore <bobbymoore018@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 08:30 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-05 17:31 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 18:06 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 17:54 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-05 20:10 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 20:57 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-05 22:37 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 22:05 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 15:10 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-06 22:32 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-07 06:49 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-06 16:08 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 07:53 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-06 17:35 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 09:37 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-06 20:49 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-09-06 19:51 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 12:52 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-07 00:36 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-06 17:06 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 18:47 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-07 11:11 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 04:04 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-07 13:24 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-06 18:13 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-06 21:17 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-06 22:24 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-07 11:37 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-07 11:53 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-07 13:33 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 14:36 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-07 22:59 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 16:58 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-08 00:35 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 20:41 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 20:47 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 14:07 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 22:22 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 15:26 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-09-05 18:26 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-09-07 23:15 -0400
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 13:48 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 21:36 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-05 13:24 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 15:46 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-02 17:44 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-02 01:14 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 18:13 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-02 01:43 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-02 17:51 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-02 17:58 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-02 23:28 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 20:09 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-03 07:15 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 03:03 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-03 18:53 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 16:24 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-03 12:22 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 02:01 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-05 21:40 -0700
                [OT] Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-06 17:06 +0100
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 16:26 +0100
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 19:22 +0100
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-06 16:45 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 06:49 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-05 05:30 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 17:16 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-06 08:47 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-06 19:57 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-06 19:01 -0700
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-09 05:22 +0000
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-02 16:29 +0000
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                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 21:06 -0700
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