Re: bart again (UCX64)

From	Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: bart again (UCX64)
Date	2023-09-03 12:22 -0700
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Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:

> Ergonomics experts often design interfaces that I find hard to
> use.  To take one example, I want to use common key binding across
> applications, but the experts seem to think there is only one such
> set (and it comes from an OS I have not used for years), so I
> can't use the bindings my fingers "know" about.

I'm curious to know more about the specifics here.  What key
bindings, which "one set to rule them all", what domain of
applications followed that set?  Also I'm curious to know how
you know (or why you suspect) the choices were made by experts?
What abilities or skills qualify them as experts?

> There are probably a few UI experts who really do know how to
> design easy to use, powerful interfaces that suit a wide rage of
> users with differing expectations and experience, but most of them
> just know how to make easy tasks easy for the most commonly
> encountered users.

I am not an expert, but I have three pieces of advice for anyone
who wants to design a good user interface.

1. Get a copy of TOG on interface, and read it.  (And read it
   again later.)

2. Follow Bill Atkinson's UI precepts:
   * "The user has lost the manual"
   * "... and didn't have time to read it before losing it"

3. Avoid anything that looks like a product from Microsoft, where
   it seems like everyone thinks user interfaces should use the
   same ideas and techniques as are used in video games.

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Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 12:46 -0700
  Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-30 22:59 +0100
    Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 15:54 -0700
      Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 00:17 +0100
        Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 16:30 -0700
      Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 11:58 +0100
        Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 05:32 -0700
          Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 14:45 +0100
            Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 07:43 -0700
              Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 15:56 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 08:38 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 12:56 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-31 22:09 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 10:12 +0200
              Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 23:53 -0700
          Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-31 14:39 +0000
            Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-08-31 20:56 +0100
        Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-31 14:36 +0200
          Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 15:30 +0100
            Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 16:17 +0100
            Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-08-31 19:36 +0200
              Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 20:26 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 13:17 -0700
                Verbosity in command output (Was: bart again (UCX64)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-08-31 21:43 +0000
                Re: Verbosity in command output (Was: bart again (UCX64)) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-31 23:31 +0000
                Re: Verbosity in command output (Was: bart again (UCX64)) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 21:36 -0700
                Re: Verbosity in command output (Was: bart again (UCX64)) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 17:22 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 23:07 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 15:32 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-31 22:05 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-31 22:07 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 23:18 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-08-31 23:03 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 16:46 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 01:44 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 18:09 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 18:11 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Paul Edwards <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 18:14 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 01:38 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 02:40 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 01:29 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 20:28 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 11:10 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 12:01 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 13:20 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 13:08 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 13:39 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 15:29 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 14:32 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 18:14 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 19:01 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 18:53 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-01 14:53 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 15:57 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-01 19:07 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 19:27 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 18:55 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 21:27 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 20:46 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 22:29 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 22:19 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-03 13:56 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 15:31 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-03 16:05 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 03:17 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 10:34 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 03:07 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 11:43 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 04:21 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 17:16 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 18:33 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-05 01:33 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-04 15:27 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 17:18 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-04 16:26 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 19:33 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-04 19:17 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 20:48 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 21:25 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-04 21:56 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-05 01:34 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 21:06 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 13:09 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 16:04 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 00:52 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 17:16 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 15:33 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-09-05 14:55 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bobby Moore <bobbymoore018@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 08:30 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-05 17:31 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 18:06 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 17:54 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-05 20:10 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 20:57 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-05 22:37 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 22:05 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 15:10 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-06 22:32 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-07 06:49 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-06 16:08 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 07:53 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-06 17:35 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 09:37 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-06 20:49 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-09-06 19:51 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 12:52 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-07 00:36 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-06 17:06 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 18:47 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-07 11:11 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 04:04 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-07 13:24 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-06 18:13 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-06 21:17 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-06 22:24 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-07 11:37 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-07 11:53 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-07 13:33 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 20:41 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 20:47 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 14:07 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 22:22 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 15:26 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-09-05 18:26 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 13:48 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 21:36 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-05 13:24 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 15:46 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-02 17:44 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-02 01:14 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 18:13 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-02 01:43 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-02 17:51 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-02 17:58 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-02 23:28 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 20:09 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-03 07:15 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 03:03 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-03 18:53 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 16:24 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-03 12:22 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 02:01 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-05 21:40 -0700
                [OT] Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-06 17:06 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 18:02 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 10:39 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-09-02 07:33 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 16:26 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-09-02 09:03 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 19:22 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2023-09-05 01:38 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-09-04 20:05 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-06 16:45 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 06:49 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-05 05:30 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-05 17:16 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-06 08:47 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-06 19:57 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-06 19:01 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 12:51 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 12:58 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-02 16:29 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 20:00 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 00:08 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-03 01:36 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 02:41 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-02 17:49 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 18:32 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-09-01 18:59 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-02 18:02 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-09-03 15:54 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-03 19:50 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-09-03 21:25 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 16:44 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-03 11:47 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 18:16 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 17:48 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 19:12 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 18:49 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 21:33 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 21:09 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 22:41 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 22:34 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 15:51 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 14:06 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-02 17:27 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 16:02 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 01:50 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-02 01:12 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 19:13 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 11:57 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-02 18:19 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 19:53 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-03 06:32 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-03 16:02 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-03 18:11 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-03 11:31 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 20:07 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-03 22:08 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 03:16 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-04 10:54 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 11:06 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-04 14:54 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-04 22:02 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-05 01:31 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-05 02:24 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-06 04:29 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 21:06 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 01:03 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-06 20:58 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 19:21 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-06 13:07 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-06 22:41 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 15:56 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-07 00:53 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 18:47 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-06 17:25 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 18:30 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-06 03:04 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-06 21:48 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-07 06:10 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 02:06 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-09-04 14:14 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-04 16:59 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 15:41 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-04 18:15 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 18:57 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-02 17:10 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 13:13 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-02 22:50 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 14:54 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 19:02 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-02 22:42 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 15:08 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 02:00 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 23:18 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 02:28 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-03 06:58 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 15:52 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-03 11:02 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-03 16:25 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-09-03 16:49 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-03 16:16 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-02 18:11 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-02 22:08 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-03 16:48 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 14:52 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-03 02:23 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 03:47 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-03 18:44 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2023-09-03 18:01 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-03 16:59 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 17:50 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 10:43 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 02:17 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 13:26 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 11:35 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 13:39 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 14:09 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 15:33 +0200
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 05:14 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 17:41 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-09-01 18:21 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 14:31 -0700
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-01 22:39 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-09-02 07:07 +0000
            Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-31 19:17 +0000
              Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-31 19:28 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 21:03 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-09-01 11:23 +0200
              Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-08-31 20:50 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-08-31 23:12 +0000
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2023-09-01 02:25 +0100
                Re: bart again (UCX64) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 20:37 -0700

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