Re: Mozilla's new vision

From	Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: Mozilla's new vision
Date	2024-01-02 01:07 -0300
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immibis <news@immibis.com> writes:

> On 12/31/23 04:37, Julieta Shem wrote:
>> I don't know, but it's what happens right now.  All browser vendors
>> are major players, unlike NNTP servers, which are so simple that a
>> single person can implement in a weekend, so you find lots of
>> alternatives.  Not so with browsers.

[...]

> News sidesteps the problem for now by only being plaintext, which it
> can afford because nobody (to within experimental error) uses it. As
> soon as users demand more from news, or a commercial vendor offers
> extended features (EEE-style), it will suffer from the same problems
> the web and email did. I'm not sure if binary news already suffers the
> problem; I don't use it.

Even being plain text, writing a client is much harder than writing the
NNTP server.  The web made it exceptionally hard to build the client.
There are various usable clients for NNTP, e-mail; not so with browsers.

You got a point.

Perhaps we need to decentralize applications.  Maybe Google can build
the best /window/ for a browser and someone else builds the /bookmark/
and someone builds the be HTTP client itself.  You see what am I saying?
A computer system is made of various parts.  When I'm using a program
such as Firefox, why can't I have some kind of GNU EMACS for me to type
the address in the address bar?  When I'm using Gmail, why must I be a
hostage of that text editor they provide me with?

I would think that the future is like that.  I have my text editor and
any application that asks me anything loads that text editor so I can
type something.  

For instance, learning is very expensive.  Each new program requires you
to even learn how to type.  If you give lay users the ability to find
their favorite editor wherever they go, they will begin to care about
that too --- not just programmers.

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