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Re: Mozilla's new vision

From yeti <yeti@tilde.institute>
Newsgroups comp.misc
Subject Re: Mozilla's new vision
Date 2023-12-31 03:12 +0042
Organization Democratic Order of Pirates International (DOPI)
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Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> writes:

> Without a Free Software browser, the web will be completely dominated by
> corporate actors.  Intelligent people will leave and look for
> alternatives.  We could go back to gopher-like services.  In fact, see
> the gemini protocol.

Why?

If you can self-host gemini or gopher, you can do that with http too.
Noone forces you to use QIC, CSS or JS.  A reasonable subset of today's
overfeatured http/html still can and will play a role.

The problem is not what to use when writing for friends and reading that
with lynx, w3m, netsurf, dillo, emacs/eww, elinks, ...

The problem is that some things in daily life force us to use browsers
we would like not to touch at all for some services we cannot avoid.
That's the part that needs a massive revolt and there neither gopher nor
gemini will be the solution.

-- 
"Wir Europäer sind dafür bekannt, dass wir gerne Dinge verbieten. Das
Prinzip der Datensparsamkeit, wie wir es vor vielen Jahren hatten, kann
heute nicht die generelle Leitschnur sein für die Entwicklung neuer
Produkte." - Angela Merkel beim nationalen IT-Gipfel 2016 in Saarbrücken

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Mozilla's new vision Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> - 2023-12-30 17:34 +0000
  Re: Mozilla's new vision Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-12-30 21:16 +0300
    Re: Mozilla's new vision Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-12-30 19:24 +0000
      Re: Mozilla's new vision not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-12-31 07:05 +1000
        Re: Mozilla's new vision Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-12-31 09:40 +0000
    Re: Mozilla's new vision Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> - 2023-12-30 22:12 +0000
      Re: Mozilla's new vision kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-12-31 00:50 +0000
  Re: Mozilla's new vision Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-30 17:48 -0300
    Re: Mozilla's new vision not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-12-31 07:38 +1000
      Re: Mozilla's new vision Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-12-31 09:34 +0000
        Re: Mozilla's new vision not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-01-01 07:01 +1000
    Re: Mozilla's new vision yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2023-12-31 03:12 +0042
    Re: Mozilla's new vision yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2023-12-31 03:13 +0042
      Re: Mozilla's new vision Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-31 00:37 -0300
        Re: Mozilla's new vision immibis <news@immibis.com> - 2024-01-02 00:56 +0100
          Re: Mozilla's new vision Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2024-01-02 01:07 -0300
            Re: Mozilla's new vision immibis <news@immibis.com> - 2024-01-02 18:30 +0100
              Re: Mozilla's new vision Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2024-01-03 03:05 -0300
                Re: Mozilla's new vision yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-01-03 09:10 +0042
                Re: Mozilla's new vision Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2024-01-03 16:22 -0300
                Re: Mozilla's new vision yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-01-03 21:56 +0042
                Re: Mozilla's new vision immibis <news@immibis.com> - 2024-01-06 04:17 +0100
                Re: Mozilla's new vision Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2024-01-06 01:32 -0300
            Re: Mozilla's new vision Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-01-03 01:56 -0400
              Re: Mozilla's new vision Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2024-01-03 16:15 -0300
    Re: Mozilla's new vision Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2023-12-31 10:43 +0100
      Re: Mozilla's new vision Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2023-12-31 10:55 +0000
        Re: Mozilla's new vision Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-01-01 10:13 +0100
          Re: Mozilla's new vision Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-01-01 17:11 -0400
            Re: Mozilla's new vision Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-01-02 08:34 +0100
          Re: Mozilla's new vision Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2024-01-03 12:00 +0000
            Re: Mozilla's new vision Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-01-03 14:43 +0100
              Re: Mozilla's new vision Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2024-01-03 17:48 +0000
                Re: Mozilla's new vision Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-01-03 20:45 +0100
    Re: Mozilla's new vision Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2023-12-31 12:10 +0000
      Re: Mozilla's new vision Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-12-31 13:36 +0000
        Re: Mozilla's new vision Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2023-12-31 19:28 +0000
      Re: Mozilla's new vision kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-12-31 15:10 +0000
    Re: Mozilla's new vision cr0c0d1le <cr0c0d1le.ewlkg@8shield.net> - 2024-01-01 13:41 -0500
      Re: Mozilla's new vision Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2024-01-02 01:07 -0300
      Re: Mozilla's new vision Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-01-02 08:36 +0100
        Re: Mozilla's new vision candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> - 2024-01-02 17:35 -0600
          Re: Mozilla's new vision immibis <news@immibis.com> - 2024-01-06 03:47 +0100
    Re: Mozilla's new vision immibis <news@immibis.com> - 2024-01-02 00:48 +0100
      Re: Mozilla's new vision Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-01-02 08:37 +0100
        Re: Mozilla's new vision Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-01-02 09:01 +0000
          Re: Mozilla's new vision immibis <news@immibis.com> - 2024-01-02 18:28 +0100
          Re: Mozilla's new vision not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-01-03 06:48 +1000
          Re: Mozilla's new vision Andreas Kempe <kempe@lysator.liu.se> - 2024-01-03 01:19 +0000
            Re: Mozilla's new vision Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2024-01-03 03:25 -0300
            Re: Mozilla's new vision immibis <news@immibis.com> - 2024-01-06 04:33 +0100
              Re: Mozilla's new vision Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2024-01-06 01:34 -0300

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