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Re: Mozilla's new vision

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Andreas Kempe <kempe@lysator.liu.se> writes:

> Den 2024-01-02 skrev Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>:
>>
>> What's pushing the development apart from demands of marketing wank 
>> websites?
>
> I'm speculating a bit, 

We're all speculating a bit or a lot.

> but I think the main drive has been the change in how we consume
> software. Software is now a service that we subscribe to, either by
> the user being the product or by actually paying for them. For example
> Youtube and Facebook being two services where you are the product,
> while online cloud storage is a service one might pay for.
>
> With everyone having browsers already and them being made with the
> purpose of delivering flexible content from the Internet to the
> end-user, I think it just became the natural vehicle for delivering
> software as a service. When we started reinventing our common desktop
> programs, like WYSIWYG document processing, to now be delivered
> through the browser, that drove the need for added complexity.
>
> The browser eventually becoming its own mini OS with scores of
> developers that are experts on developing for it eventually lead to
> that tech migrating back to more traditional programs. Here I'm
> thinking of things like Electron apps, Android apps and iPhone apps
> that are often nothing but packaged websites. Hell, even games run on
> web technologies like WebGL and using REST APIs over HTTP for
> communication these days.
>
> I don't see this era of web dominance ending anytime soon unless we
> get another tech paradigm shift.

Yes, I don't know when it will end, but it has to end eventually.  As
usual, someone comes up with a great idea some day and the whole thing
changes.  As I said before in this thread somewhere, I think the design
of the technology is bad --- too much complexity leads to little
diversity, which leads to concentration, which leads to fatal flaws.

Someone will come up with something new some day and it will suplant the
web.  Nobody is really gonna look back because the web really is so
ugly.  I believe we should have the right to fetch information without
the ugliness.  For instance, can I fetch the videos from YouTube without
looking at the website?  Why shouldn't I?  Oh, because the vendor wants
to show me ads --- but someone is gonna solve this problem and vendors
will have to find new means of income.  We don't pay them because we
want to.  We pay them because we have no alternative.

TV companies must be having an uncertain future because so much of TV
watching has moved to the Internet.  (A good idea changes everything.)

Consider sci-hub.  I remember I felt so grateful for having access to a
university library because it always felt so hard to find and read
papers.  With sci-hub, it's easier than even having a personal account
with the journal.  (AIOE.org was the easiest NNTP server to use because
you didn't even need an account.)  These journals are likely living on
government money and rich private corporations.

Now, of course, we can always stay away from the mess if we can: it
depends on what kind of work you do.  I know a lot of people who use
WhatsApp.  So many of them say --- I can't get rid of it even if I
wanted.  I use it for work, or I have kids and so on.  It's difficult.
If you work most independently from the world --- an academic perhaps
---, chances are you don't even need a Google account.  You don't have
to run Chrome, Firefox, Gmail, anything.  You can fetch documentation
with dillo, host your mail somewhere and enjoy a quiet life.  

YouTube does host a lot of good programs, though.  Here's a great
channel:

  https://www.youtube.com/@webofstories

But surely all these videos could easily go somewhere else.

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      Re: Mozilla's new vision kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-12-31 15:10 +0000
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      Re: Mozilla's new vision Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-01-02 08:37 +0100
        Re: Mozilla's new vision Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-01-02 09:01 +0000
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