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From	Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: comp.lang.forth.applications
Date	2013-05-24 10:23 -0700
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stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) writes:
> That's a fluffy argument for a pub. I trust Les Hatton's arguments
> more, e.g.
>   http://www.mpeforth.com/ngr.htm

He says: 

   Inheritance, (single or multiple) in particular appears to be a
   defect attractor.

There was a 1990's OO style that over-used inheritance, but I think it
has fallen out of favor in the current C++ world.

Of more relevance is memory protection and GC.  I worked on a Java
project some time back, with a guy who had recently come off of a C++
project that did something similar and which was written in similar
style.  He said that the coding challenges and coding time were about
the same between the two projects, but that the Java project had about
1/4 of the debugging time, because of the automatic elimination of
pointer errors, double-free bugs, and so forth.  Memory leaks in a GC'd
system are still possible, but they're far less pervasive than the
general headaches of manual allocation.

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  Re: comp.lang.forth.applications albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-23 15:38 +0000
    Re: comp.lang.forth.applications "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-05-23 08:25 -1000
      Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Mentifex <mentifex@myuw.net> - 2013-05-23 11:43 -0700
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      Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-23 22:38 -0700
        Re: comp.lang.forth.applications albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-24 08:52 +0000
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            Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-25 18:18 -0700
        Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-24 05:24 -0400
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      Re: comp.lang.forth.applications m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2013-05-23 23:55 -0700
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          Re: comp.lang.forth.applications mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2013-05-26 09:18 +0200
            Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-26 00:24 -0700
            Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-26 02:36 -0500
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                Re: Euler 13 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-26 10:13 -0700
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                Re: Euler 13 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-26 15:40 -0700
              Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2013-05-26 11:06 +0200
                Re: Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] mhx@iae.nl - 2013-05-26 02:28 -0700
                Re: Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] "David N. Williams" <williams@umich.edu> - 2013-05-26 10:19 -0400
                Re: Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2013-05-26 15:24 -0700
                Re: Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2013-05-27 01:11 +0200
                Re: Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2013-05-26 22:36 -0700
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              Re: Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-26 17:24 +0000
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                Re: Euler 13 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-26 21:25 -0700
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                Re: Euler 13 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-27 07:44 -0700
            Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-26 01:04 -0700
            Re: comp.lang.forth.applications visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2013-05-26 15:05 -0700
              Re: comp.lang.forth.applications mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2013-05-27 01:12 +0200
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  Re: comp.lang.forth.applications "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2013-05-24 12:00 +1000
    Re: comp.lang.forth.applications stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-05-24 10:16 +0000
      Re: comp.lang.forth.applications "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2013-05-24 20:44 +1000
        Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-24 07:03 -0400
          Re: comp.lang.forth.applications "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2013-05-27 22:00 +1000
            Re: comp.lang.forth.applications "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-05-27 08:08 -1000
              Re: comp.lang.forth.applications "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2013-05-29 13:56 +1000
                Re: comp.lang.forth.applications albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-29 04:05 +0000
                Re: comp.lang.forth.applications rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 16:25 -0400
                Re: comp.lang.forth.applications albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-30 00:31 +0000
            Re: comp.lang.forth.applications "Paul E. Bennett" <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2013-05-27 23:34 +0100
              Re: comp.lang.forth.applications "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2013-05-29 13:51 +1000
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                Re: comp.lang.forth.applications rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-06-08 22:16 -0400
        Re: comp.lang.forth.applications stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-05-24 12:30 +0000
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      Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-24 07:57 -0700
        Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-24 10:33 -0500
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