Re: comp.lang.forth.applications

Date	2013-05-27 08:08 -1000
From	"Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com>
Organization	FORTH, Inc.
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: comp.lang.forth.applications
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On 5/27/13 2:00 AM, Ed wrote:
> Doug Hoffman wrote:
>> On 5/24/13 6:44 AM, Ed wrote:
>>
>>>> ...
>>>> The one I compiled yesterday contained over 1,100,000 lines of source
>>>> code.
>
> No, I didn't write that.
>
>>> Wasn't Forth supposed to be different from C  :)
>>
>> Your statement would seem to imply that "1,100,000 lines of source code"
>> makes Forth no different from C.
>>
>> How do you make that conclusion?  Is
>> there an upper limit on loc for Forth?  If so, what is that limit and
>> why does it exist?
>
> Actually it was a question.  Is there a difference?
>
> I don't know whether Chuck ever wrote a program consisting of a
> million lines of code, but he is certainly keen on keeping size
> to a minimum.  Can one write a million lines of efficient, error
> free code?  You tell me.
>
> My compiler source is 10,000 lines of assembler code and there
> are times I feel I'm no longer in control of it.  The larger the program,
> the harder it becomes for a programmer to guarantee that a change
> won't adversely affect something.  I guess that's why they employ
> testers and rely on users to find the bugs for them :)

What is a "program"? A million-line application is surely made up of a 
number of interrelated programs, each of which may be quite manageable, 
particularly if certain subsets are the responsibility of different 
programmers on a team.

And raw LOC counts are useless in comparing Forth and C or any other 
language, unless you're comparing comparable functionality (which no one 
mentioned in this discussion).

Cheers,
Elizabeth

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comp.lang.forth.applications johno <email@address.com> - 2013-05-23 15:35 +0100
  Re: comp.lang.forth.applications albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-23 15:38 +0000
    Re: comp.lang.forth.applications "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-05-23 08:25 -1000
      Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Mentifex <mentifex@myuw.net> - 2013-05-23 11:43 -0700
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      Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-23 22:38 -0700
        Re: comp.lang.forth.applications albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-24 08:52 +0000
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            Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-25 18:18 -0700
        Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-24 05:24 -0400
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        Re: comp.lang.forth.applications "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2013-06-08 11:46 +0000
          Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-06-08 08:55 -0400
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      Re: comp.lang.forth.applications m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2013-05-23 23:55 -0700
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          Re: comp.lang.forth.applications mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2013-05-26 09:18 +0200
            Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-26 00:24 -0700
            Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-26 02:36 -0500
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                Re: Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] mhx@iae.nl - 2013-05-26 02:28 -0700
                Re: Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] "David N. Williams" <williams@umich.edu> - 2013-05-26 10:19 -0400
                Re: Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2013-05-26 15:24 -0700
                Re: Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2013-05-27 01:11 +0200
                Re: Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2013-05-26 22:36 -0700
                Re: Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-05-27 01:49 -0700
                Re: Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-05-27 08:56 +0000
                Re: Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] "David N. Williams" <williams@umich.edu> - 2013-05-27 08:04 -0400
                Re: Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2013-05-27 12:55 -0700
              Re: Euler 13 [Was: comp.lang.forth.applications] albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-26 17:24 +0000
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                Re: Euler 13 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-26 21:25 -0700
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                Re: Euler 13 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-27 07:44 -0700
            Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-26 01:04 -0700
            Re: comp.lang.forth.applications visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2013-05-26 15:05 -0700
              Re: comp.lang.forth.applications mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2013-05-27 01:12 +0200
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  Re: comp.lang.forth.applications "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2013-05-24 12:00 +1000
    Re: comp.lang.forth.applications stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-05-24 10:16 +0000
      Re: comp.lang.forth.applications "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2013-05-24 20:44 +1000
        Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2013-05-24 07:03 -0400
          Re: comp.lang.forth.applications "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2013-05-27 22:00 +1000
            Re: comp.lang.forth.applications "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-05-27 08:08 -1000
              Re: comp.lang.forth.applications "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2013-05-29 13:56 +1000
                Re: comp.lang.forth.applications albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-29 04:05 +0000
                Re: comp.lang.forth.applications rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-29 16:25 -0400
                Re: comp.lang.forth.applications albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-30 00:31 +0000
            Re: comp.lang.forth.applications "Paul E. Bennett" <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2013-05-27 23:34 +0100
              Re: comp.lang.forth.applications "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2013-05-29 13:51 +1000
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                Re: comp.lang.forth.applications rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 19:06 -0400
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          Re: comp.lang.forth.applications Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-24 20:18 -0700
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