Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...]

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Subject	Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...]
Date	2024-07-25 23:40 +0200
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On Thu, 25 Jul 2024, Johanne Fairchild wrote:

> Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:
>
>> On 25.07.2024 um 11:49 Uhr George Musk wrote:
>>
>>> You may try to make them use more modern open solutions like Mastodon,
>>
>> I've tried out mastodon and I don't like it. Only usable for chit-chat,
>> you can't open a "thread" in a new tab by middle click, so rather
>> uncomfortable to use.
>> The content is also mostly non-interesting, like Twitter. Some people
>> who hate Elon Musk now moved to mastodon and post their bullshit there.
>
> That's what most people don't realize: most of these chat systems are no
> good for conversation.  People don't realize this because they also
> can't really tell a good conversation from chit-chat.  That's because a
> good conversation requires thinking, but most people can't tell thinking
> from brain activity.  In other words, the underlying phenomenon is more
> worrying.  We've reduced thinking quality in the large.
>
> USENET is antiquated in some sense, but it's still the system where
> people can write calmly with no distractions.  Therefore USENET is still
> the most adequate because there is no other system with these most
> important features.  As I'm writing this paragraph, there is nothing
> flashing on my screen and nobody is waiting for me, so I can take all
> the time I want.  And that increases the quality of the conversation.
>
> Here's an example.  Most USENET clients maximize your writing screen.
> Compare that with Whatsapp or Discord.  You write your message in a
> small region of the program, clearly implying that your writing is not
> important.  What about all the flashing stuff?  These programs all look
> like a Christmas tree.  If you read writers blogs, you will notice
> sometimes they write about their tools and they talk about pens, paper,
> computers and text editors.  The same applies to programmers and other
> technical people such as scientists.  They all talk about not getting
> distracted with nonsense.
>
> Good conversation is sort of the same.  If you start an oral
> conversation with someone and, say, the person goes off on some tangent
> all the time, that conversation doesn't get very deep.  (For most
> people, perhaps, that's no problem because they don't even know what
> depth is.)  Getting off on tangents is not so bad on USENET because we
> can easily backtrack a thread, say.  Conversation in writing is
> different from oral conversation.  But the point is that not getting
> distracted is important in conversation or anything else that requires
> thinking.
>

Makes a lot of sense to me. I fear for the day that Microsoft and Google 
will try to take away my email from me, by no longer allowing third party 
email operators, or making it very hard to be one.

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Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-07-24 11:58 +0300
  Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-24 11:08 +0200
    Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-24 10:21 -0300
    Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-07-24 15:10 -0700
      Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-25 11:24 +0200
        Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-25 12:03 +0000
          Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-25 17:38 +0200
            Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2024-07-26 01:16 +0300
              Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-26 10:44 +0200
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-07-26 19:49 +0000
            Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-07-25 20:04 -0700
              Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-26 10:52 +0200
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-26 09:21 -0300
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-26 18:35 +0200
              Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> - 2024-07-27 03:06 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-27 11:25 +0200
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-07-27 13:38 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-27 20:03 +0200
          Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-07-25 19:52 -0700
        Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-05 21:48 -0700
          Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-06 17:14 -0700
            Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-07 08:57 +0100
              Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] arnold@skeeve.com (Aharon Robbins) - 2024-08-07 15:04 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-07 22:53 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-08-08 09:21 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 23:52 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-08-09 20:54 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-09 23:32 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2024-08-08 09:33 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-08 22:24 +0200
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-08-08 20:31 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-09 10:32 +0200
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-08-08 20:45 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 23:53 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2024-08-09 01:14 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-09 02:41 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-08-08 09:20 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-13 22:40 -0300
              Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 10:54 -0700
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-09 22:28 +0200
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-10 12:12 -0700
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-13 22:43 -0300
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <remailer@domain.invalid> - 2024-08-13 22:54 -0400
            Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-08-07 09:45 +0000
    Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2024-08-05 14:49 +0000
      Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-05 21:45 +0200
  Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] George Musk <grgmusk@skiff.com> - 2024-07-25 11:49 +0000
    Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-07-25 16:16 +0200
      Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-25 15:13 +0042
        Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-25 17:39 +0200
      Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-25 12:27 -0300
        Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-25 23:40 +0200
          Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-26 16:40 +0000
            Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-26 22:38 +0200
        Re: Emigration from Usenet Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-26 19:38 -0300
          Re: Emigration from Usenet Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-27 10:03 -0300
          Re: Emigration from Usenet Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-27 17:24 +0100
            Re: Emigration from Usenet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-27 20:06 +0200
              Re: Emigration from Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-27 18:31 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-28 11:23 +0200
            Re: Emigration from Usenet Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-27 21:01 +0100
              Re: Emigration from Usenet The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-07-27 18:48 -0700
              Re: Emigration from Usenet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-28 11:25 +0200
              Re: Emigration from Usenet Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-28 10:53 +0100
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-28 16:00 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-28 21:35 +0100
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-28 20:51 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-28 19:14 +0200
            Re: Emigration from Usenet Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2024-07-28 19:48 +0200
            Re: Emigration from Usenet Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-28 21:58 -0300
              Re: Emigration from Usenet Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-29 08:50 +0100
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-29 08:51 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-29 09:51 +0042
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-29 12:58 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-29 20:50 -0300
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-30 11:55 -0300
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-30 20:35 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-29 14:21 +0100
            Re: Emigration from Usenet Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-28 22:00 -0300
              Re: Emigration from Usenet The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-07-28 19:41 -0700
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-07-29 14:20 -0300
                Re: Emigration from Usenet The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-07-29 10:51 -0700
              Re: Emigration from Usenet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-29 11:09 +0200
      Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-25 16:53 +0000
        Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-26 08:21 +1000
          Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2024-07-26 01:33 +0300
            Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2024-07-26 13:42 +1000
              Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-26 11:00 +0200
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2024-07-26 22:18 +1000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-28 01:55 +0000
              Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2024-08-12 17:13 +0100
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-13 08:12 +1000

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