Re: Emigration from Usenet

From	Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: Emigration from Usenet
Date	2024-07-28 21:58 -0300
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Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:

> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>> Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> wrote or quoted:
>>> Let's translate that to ``the experts are not here''.  The experts
>>> who are in social networks seem to be a minority, so I conjecture
>>> that most experts are off the radar, perhaps waiting for something
>>> better.
>>
>> The experts used to be here. Linux was announced in comp.os.minix.
>> Tim Berners Lee published a summary of the World Wide Web project to
>> the alt.hypertext newsgroup. Marc Andreessen announced Netscape in
>> comp.infosystems.www.users. The launch of AltaVista was announced in
>> biz.digital.announce. "Uncle Bob" wrote in comp.objects. Greg Egan
>> asked about the science for his SF novels in sci.physics.research.
>> Dennis Ritchie wrote in comp.lang.c. They just disappeared.
>
> The ‘expert’ conversations are still happening, just not on Usenet.  You
> can find them in mailing lists, blogs, issue trackers, papers, etc.
>
> A core problem with Usenet is that you can’t exclude people whose net
> contribution to a discussion is negative. If you have absolutist ideas
> about free speech then, or are part of the problem, that may be what you
> want. But if you actually want to get something useful done there are
> better options available.

I agree.  I came to the conclusion that technical communities should be
semi-closed.  Like mailing lists, they can be open for reading, but
closed for writing.  I like NNTP.  I think that closing NNTP servers for
writing is a good thing.  I like the idea of getting an account by
invitation (from any other member).  Perhaps we could have good
communities this way again.

What about the USENET?  The USENET seems small again, so it seems to
work again.

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Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-07-24 11:58 +0300
  Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-24 11:08 +0200
    Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-24 10:21 -0300
    Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-07-24 15:10 -0700
      Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-25 11:24 +0200
        Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-25 12:03 +0000
          Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-25 17:38 +0200
            Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2024-07-26 01:16 +0300
              Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-26 10:44 +0200
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-07-26 19:49 +0000
            Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-07-25 20:04 -0700
              Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-26 10:52 +0200
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-26 09:21 -0300
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-26 18:35 +0200
              Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> - 2024-07-27 03:06 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-27 11:25 +0200
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-07-27 13:38 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-27 20:03 +0200
          Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-07-25 19:52 -0700
        Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-05 21:48 -0700
          Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-06 17:14 -0700
            Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-07 08:57 +0100
              Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] arnold@skeeve.com (Aharon Robbins) - 2024-08-07 15:04 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-07 22:53 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-08-08 09:21 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 23:52 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-08-09 20:54 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-09 23:32 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2024-08-08 09:33 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-08 22:24 +0200
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-08-08 20:31 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-09 10:32 +0200
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-08-08 20:45 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 23:53 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2024-08-09 01:14 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-09 02:41 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-08-08 09:20 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-13 22:40 -0300
              Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 10:54 -0700
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-09 22:28 +0200
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-10 12:12 -0700
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-13 22:43 -0300
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <remailer@domain.invalid> - 2024-08-13 22:54 -0400
            Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-08-07 09:45 +0000
    Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2024-08-05 14:49 +0000
      Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-05 21:45 +0200
  Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] George Musk <grgmusk@skiff.com> - 2024-07-25 11:49 +0000
    Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-07-25 16:16 +0200
      Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-25 15:13 +0042
        Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-25 17:39 +0200
      Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-25 12:27 -0300
        Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-25 23:40 +0200
          Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-26 16:40 +0000
            Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-26 22:38 +0200
        Re: Emigration from Usenet Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-26 19:38 -0300
          Re: Emigration from Usenet Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-27 10:03 -0300
          Re: Emigration from Usenet Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-27 17:24 +0100
            Re: Emigration from Usenet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-27 20:06 +0200
              Re: Emigration from Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-27 18:31 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-28 11:23 +0200
            Re: Emigration from Usenet Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-27 21:01 +0100
              Re: Emigration from Usenet The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-07-27 18:48 -0700
              Re: Emigration from Usenet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-28 11:25 +0200
              Re: Emigration from Usenet Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-28 10:53 +0100
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-28 16:00 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-28 21:35 +0100
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-28 20:51 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-28 19:14 +0200
            Re: Emigration from Usenet Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2024-07-28 19:48 +0200
            Re: Emigration from Usenet Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-28 21:58 -0300
              Re: Emigration from Usenet Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-29 08:50 +0100
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-29 08:51 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-07-29 09:51 +0042
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-29 12:58 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-29 20:50 -0300
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-30 11:55 -0300
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-30 20:35 +0000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-29 14:21 +0100
            Re: Emigration from Usenet Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-07-28 22:00 -0300
              Re: Emigration from Usenet The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-07-28 19:41 -0700
                Re: Emigration from Usenet Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-07-29 14:20 -0300
                Re: Emigration from Usenet The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-07-29 10:51 -0700
              Re: Emigration from Usenet D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-29 11:09 +0200
      Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-07-25 16:53 +0000
        Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-26 08:21 +1000
          Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2024-07-26 01:33 +0300
            Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2024-07-26 13:42 +1000
              Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-26 11:00 +0200
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2024-07-26 22:18 +1000
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-07-28 01:55 +0000
              Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2024-08-12 17:13 +0100
                Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...] not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-13 08:12 +1000

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