Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard?

From	Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject	Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard?
Date	2012-03-16 18:30 +0000
Organization	Russell Hafter Holidays
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<6027777152.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>, Michael
Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:

> Are they any use? Very little.

I would dispute that. Seeing connections between words in
different langauages is, I find, of enormous help in fixing
meanings in my mind.

> I was once in Norway and had a jam jar to open. On the
> lid it said "Vri av".

Given the context, the meaning was immediately obvious to
me. In context, 'av' was obviously ''aff' or 'off',
depending on how you pronounce it. Context is crucial, when
getting to grips with bits of 'foreign.'

> I thought back to my English roots and recognised "Wrist"
> - the twister and "Wring" to twist and saw that "Vri av"
> meant "twist off", which I did. Was that little hint
> worth all those Ws in Wrong places? NO!

-- 
Russell
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Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 08:55 +0000
  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 10:37 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 11:32 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 12:58 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 14:14 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:32 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-03-07 16:57 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:37 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-07 15:02 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 16:43 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:03 +0100
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 13:34 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:02 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:43 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 16:55 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-12 17:20 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 18:04 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-03-13 09:35 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 16:24 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstufff@mail.com - 2012-03-13 17:29 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 08:34 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 20:22 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 09:38 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-19 09:56 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-19 12:31 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-21 20:33 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 07:07 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 08:45 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 09:54 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-22 12:03 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 12:29 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-22 13:33 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-22 16:03 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 15:24 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 17:29 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 10:48 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:55 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:15 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:25 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:39 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:28 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-12 17:08 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-12 19:45 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-12 20:03 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 21:48 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 00:32 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-13 17:28 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:08 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:52 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 12:53 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 17:17 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-08 19:20 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 19:32 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 20:42 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 22:27 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 10:24 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 12:12 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-03-12 12:48 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "Barry Allen (news)" <evanallen@onetel.net.uk.invalid> - 2012-03-12 13:07 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:41 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:32 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 20:28 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-20 12:24 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-21 18:21 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 06:36 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 15:43 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 17:34 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-21 20:18 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 21:03 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 22:34 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 07:03 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:05 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 09:13 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:22 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 15:42 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:15 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:32 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 14:36 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:42 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:08 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-11 17:44 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 20:32 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-11 23:32 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 00:49 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:48 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:56 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 08:55 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-15 09:03 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 19:53 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 21:41 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 23:00 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:03 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-15 11:07 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:39 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 12:45 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 12:45 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-16 14:20 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 17:58 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-16 18:30 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-17 16:47 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:28 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Barry Punchard <barry.punchard@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-15 19:05 +0200
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 18:43 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 17:31 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-15 12:16 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 20:59 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-15 23:45 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 20:08 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Frank de Bruijn <zuiderduin@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-19 08:03 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-19 09:41 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-21 20:26 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 14:43 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-09 01:45 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:19 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:44 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 10:58 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:10 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 20:26 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-09 14:44 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Steve Drain <steve@kappa.me.uk> - 2012-03-09 16:27 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 09:25 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-10 16:44 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:53 -0800
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:29 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:23 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:24 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:12 +0100
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:37 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-07 17:25 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:48 +0100
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 16:36 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:05 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 09:52 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 06:04 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 10:00 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:25 +0000
  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 13:27 +0100
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-07 14:07 +0100
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 12:30 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 17:54 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 01:39 +0100
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 01:50 +0100
  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 22:19 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:37 -0800
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:47 +0100
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:56 -0800
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 05:06 +0100
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 07:37 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:23 +0000
  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? duncancv@gmail.com - 2012-07-21 14:16 -0700
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-22 20:41 +0100
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 06:25 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-07-23 08:21 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 10:07 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 10:47 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-07-23 11:01 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 13:18 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 19:22 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-07-23 16:45 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-28 23:59 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-29 08:11 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-29 09:30 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-07-29 12:25 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-29 15:27 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Derek Haslam <dhaslam@boulsworth.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 20:19 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-07-30 20:56 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-07-30 21:25 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 21:55 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-31 19:08 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-07-23 20:44 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-24 06:08 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-28 23:51 +0100

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