Re: energy and mass

From	Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: energy and mass
Date	2026-03-21 18:00 +1100
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On 21/03/2026 4:23 pm, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> On 3/21/2026 5:13 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>> On 21/03/2026 2:25 am, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>>> On 3/20/2026 2:49 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>> On 20/03/2026 8:00 pm, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>>>>> On 3/20/2026 8:35 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>> On 20/03/2026 4:56 pm, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/20/2026 6:51 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 19/03/2026 11:39 pm, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 19.03.26 um 11:48 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/03/2026 12:41 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2026 2:19 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2026 9:28 pm, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2026 10:50 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2026 6:03 pm, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2026 5:12 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2026 6:36 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2026 8:26 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2026 3:34 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2026 5:06 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2026 12:12 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2026 12:47 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/03/2026 6:17 pm, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2026 7:44 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/03/2026 2:49 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/16/2026 4:24 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16/03/2026 9:04 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/15/2026 9:57 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2026 8:15 pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Freitag000013, 13.03.2026 um 17:17 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schrieb Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sloman:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You seem to think that it means that if reality is more 
>>>>>>>>>>>> complicated than
>>>>>>>>>>>> you like, you should ignore the complications.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In reality one should always opt for an explanation in terms 
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> fewest possible causes, factors, or variables. That's 
>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what
>>>>>>>>>>>> relativity does. Observation had established that the simple 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Newtonian
>>>>>>>>>>>> rules left some observations unexplained, and special and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>>>> relativity provided a more complicated explanation that did 
>>>>>>>>>>>> include the
>>>>>>>>>>>> aberrant observations.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not 
>>>>>>>>>>> simpler"
>>>>>>>>>>> Not literally Albert Einstein, but an adequate paraphrase of 
>>>>>>>>>>> what he
>>>>>>>>>>> really said.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As for Ockham, his dictum should be taken as an heuristic 
>>>>>>>>>>> principle,
>>>>>>>>>>> and no more than that,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What a pile of it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Occam, verbatim: "Entia non sunt complicanda praeter 
>>>>>>>>>> necessitatem!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Als gebildeter Mensch kann man das übersetzen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, but what is 'necessary'?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If your theory won't fit the observations without it, it's 
>>>>>>>> necessary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Necessary indeed, but for your theory only, poor stupid
>>>>>>> scum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William of Occam has been dead for 679 years. He certainly wasn't 
>>>>>> talking about any theory that I might have had.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right. His "necessary" for sure doesn't mean
>>>>> "necessary for The Shit of Einstein to
>>>>> win some worshipers and for Bill Sloman
>>>>> to feel understanding, enlightened and
>>>>> special".
>>>>
>>>> I'm fairly clearly more enlightened than you are,
>>
>> Restoring the text you chopped.
>>
>>  >> but that's like being taller than dwarf. It certainly doesn't make 
>> me fell special.
>>>
>>> Delusion, as usual.
>>> But anyway - his "necessary" for sure doesn't mean
>>> "necessary for The Shit of Einstein to
>>> win some worshipers and for Bill Sloman
>>> to feel understanding, enlightened and
>>> special".
>>
>> The delusion here is that it was worth your trouble to go i  for such 
>> and obvious bit of text-chopping. You've clearly got no idea how 
>> foolish this makes you look.
>>
>>>>> There is no reason to believe he would consider your zillions of local
>>>>> times necessary, particularly when GPS
>>>>> works fine with only one.
>>>>
>>>> You really don't understand how GPS works, do you.
>>>
>>> I do. A brainwashed religious maniac asserting
>>> the opposite mean nothing.
>>
>> Equally trues of the assertions of the demented half-wit you go to the 
>> trouble demonstrating yourself to be.
>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System
>>>>
>>>> There are at least 24 satellites in orbit around the earth - four 
>>>> need to be visible to a GPS receiver on the ground, and at least six 
>>>> were guaranteed in the original scheme. The minimal 24 has now been 
>>>> bumped up to 31 so nine are now visible to any receiver on the 
>>>> earth's surface.
>>>>
>>>> "Each GPS satellite continually broadcasts a signal (carrier wave 
>>>> with modulation) that includes:
>>>>
>>>>      A pseudorandom code (sequence of ones and zeros) that is known 
>>>> to the receiver. By time-aligning a receiver-generated version and 
>>>> the receiver-measured version of the code, the time of arrival (TOA) 
>>>> of a defined point in the code sequence, called an epoch, can be 
>>>> found in the receiver clock time scale
>>>>      A message that includes the time of transmission (TOT) of the 
>>>> code epoch (in GPS time scale) and the satellite position at that 
>>>> time."
>>>>
>>>> The time base for the transmission of the pseudorandpm sequences is 
>>>> generated an atomic clock carried in each satellite, which is 
>>>> corrected for relativistic effects
>>>
>>> It is corrected, but not for any relativistic effects.
>>
>> So what what effects is it being corrected for? 
> 
> Even such a disgusting piece of lying shit as you are can't
> lie non stop, so you once admitted - they correct errors.
> A clock error is a very classical phenomenon, well
> known...
> 
> 
>> And what makes them predictable enough to be easily corrected?
> 
> The reality is what it is.
> 
> 
>>
>>> The writer was simply lied to by scum like you.
>>
>> So you are a member of the illuminati
> 
> No I'm not. You're lying as usual.
> 
> 
>   who has access to higher
>> knowledge?
> 
> What higher knowledge? That fanatic idiots
> tend to lie is a higher knowledge to you?
> 
> 
> 
>>> Right. Except some brainwashed idiots those
>>> zillions of local times are necessary for no-one.
>>> And even for you only for some liturgical rites.
>>
>> It's you who is brainwashed -
> 
> Not just me, for GPS engineers your idiocy
> was not necessary too. They don't have
> your urge of onanizing with your supreme
> understanding and wisdom, they simply
> want their stuff to work.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   you've scrubbed your brain of any
>> knowledge of the theory of relativity, probably because you share the 
>> German National Socialist delusion that it is "Jewish science". 
> 
> 
> 
> slan·der
> [ˈslɑːndə]
> law
> the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a 
> person's reputation.
> 
> An obvious choice of weapon for a relativistic
> knight on his holy crusade - your idiot guru
> was also screaming that whoever didn't obey
> him was a nasty antisemitist.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> That
>> would make it hard for you to develop high-technology products if you 
>> were involved in any kind of product development that did anything 
>> interesting, but you are much too dim to be doing anything like that.
>>
>>>> satellite transmissions happen at exactly the same time does require 
>>>> that each individual atomic clock has to be corrected for 
>>>> relativistic effects - both Lorentz and gravitational time dilation.
>>>
>>> You're a piece of impudently lying shit,
>>> that's for sure - but I've already forced
>>> you to admit that your insane Shit predicted
>>> no corrections.
>>
>> And you may even believe that fatuous claim.
> 
> 
>  >>>>>> A lie, of course. I was not asking you to point
>  >>>>>> where your divine idiot mumbled about his
>  >>>>>> dilation delusion, I asked you where he
>  >>>>>> predicted any clock corrections.
>  >>>
>  >>> Why would he have done that?
>  >>
>  >> He wouldn't. And you lied he has done it, as
>  >> expected from a very stupid  piece of lying,
>  >> fanatic shit.
>  >
>  > He wouldn't have predicted any clock correction.

He was writing in 1905, when there weren't any clock accurate enough to 
have needed that kind of correction any place we could get to then.

> Eat that, you piece of shit.

As usual you are misrepresenting what I wrote. It would be unkind to 
claim that you had any malicious motive - you just didn't understand it 
well enough to realise that it didn't mean what you wanted it to mean.

You do go to a great deal of trouble to make it clear just how stupid 
you are.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 16:27 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-22 06:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-22 08:03 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 02:40 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-22 10:27 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 10:43 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 19:21 -0700
                Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 03:06 -0700
                Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 03:36 -0700
                Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 10:15 -0700
                Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 10:26 -0700
                Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 09:45 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 16:20 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-22 10:58 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-23 13:21 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 08:01 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Keeton Zdunowski <ni@eudei.pl> - 2026-03-23 17:19 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 16:04 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-22 06:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 21:03 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-22 11:15 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 02:47 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-22 20:35 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 15:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 07:05 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 21:15 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 13:05 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 23:16 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 16:01 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:34 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 07:52 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 19:04 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 09:27 +0100
                Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-24 13:36 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 16:48 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:28 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 18:37 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:07 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 17:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:42 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 10:53 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 05:29 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 19:54 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 13:06 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 13:53 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 23:21 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 20:55 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-25 07:25 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 19:03 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 08:06 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 20:11 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 19:04 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 07:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 22:31 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:33 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:23 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 16:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:21 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:31 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 16:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:23 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 18:32 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:51 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:37 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:37 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:39 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 11:32 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 01:04 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 22:43 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 15:50 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-19 13:52 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 06:00 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-17 17:26 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:44 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 07:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 18:01 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-19 11:17 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:08 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:13 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:00 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:20 -0700
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 22:24 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 17:32 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 10:51 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:50 +1100
          Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 10:42 +0100
            Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 13:39 +0100
  Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-13 22:05 +0100

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