Re: energy and mass

From	Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: energy and mass
Date	2026-03-21 01:04 +1100
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On 20/03/2026 9:32 pm, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 19/03/2026 11:39 pm, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 19.03.26 um 11:48 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19/03/2026 12:41 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/18/2026 2:19 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2026 9:28 pm, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2026 10:50 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2026 6:03 pm, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2026 5:12 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2026 6:36 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2026 8:26 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2026 3:34 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2026 5:06 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2026 12:12 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2026 12:47 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/03/2026 6:17 pm, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2026 7:44 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/03/2026 2:49 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/16/2026 4:24 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16/03/2026 9:04 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/15/2026 9:57 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2026 8:15 pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Freitag000013, 13.03.2026 um 17:17 schrieb Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sloman:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>>> You seem to think that it means that if reality is more complicated than
>>>>>> you like, you should ignore the complications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In reality one should always opt for an explanation in terms of the
>>>>>> fewest possible causes, factors, or variables. That's exactly what
>>>>>> relativity does. Observation had established that the simple Newtonian
>>>>>> rules left some observations unexplained, and special and general
>>>>>> relativity provided a more complicated explanation that did include the
>>>>>> aberrant observations.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler"
>>>>> Not literally Albert Einstein, but an adequate paraphrase of what he
>>>>> really said.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for Ockham, his dictum should be taken as an heuristic principle,
>>>>> and no more than that,
>>>>
>>>> What a pile of it.
>>>>
>>>> Occam, verbatim: "Entia non sunt complicanda praeter necessitatem!"
>>>>
>>>> Als gebildeter Mensch kann man das übersetzen.
>>>
>>> Yes, but what is 'necessary'?
>>
>> If your theory won't fit the observations without it, it's necessary.
> 
> Or you challenge the observations.
> Typical example: Einstein and Planck versus Kaufmann.
> (who had 'falsified' special relativity)
> 
> But iirc you are a hopeless case of naive positivism
> and/or naive empirism,


What do you think you are remembering? I'm certainly not a positivist, 
and while I do tend to be empirical, I do understand that having the 
right perspective is necessary to extract useful knowledge from 
empirical observations. I'm not a statistician, but I know enough to 
know that all observations are - to some extent - corrupted by noise 
which isn't always purely random. 1/f noise is random, but there's more 
of it a low frequencies.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 03:17 +1100
    Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 10:15 +0100
      Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:18 +1100
        Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-15 21:57 +0100
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                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-25 07:25 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 19:03 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 08:06 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 20:11 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 19:04 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 07:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 22:31 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:33 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:23 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 16:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:21 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:31 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 16:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:23 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 18:32 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:51 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:37 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:37 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:39 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 11:32 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 01:04 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 22:43 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 15:50 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-19 13:52 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 06:00 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-17 17:26 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:44 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 07:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 18:01 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-19 11:17 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:08 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:13 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:00 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:20 -0700
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 22:24 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 17:32 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 10:51 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:50 +1100
          Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 10:42 +0100
            Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 13:39 +0100
  Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-13 22:05 +0100

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