Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war

From	Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Newsgroups	sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war
Date	2026-02-05 01:35 +1100
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On 4/02/2026 10:24 pm, john larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Feb 2026 05:44:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 03 Feb 2026 05:50:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2026 18:29:58 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
>>>>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Feb 2026 11:58:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 14:09:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:

<snip>

> Sure, China has cheap labor and can pollute all they want.

Nobody can. Once the air pollution in big cities is bad enough to start 
killing people, the Chinese, like the Indians, started doing something 
about it.

The Chinese have spent a lot on closing down dirty and inefficient 
coal-fired power stations. They invested a lot on making solar cells on 
a large enough scale to make them the cheapest source of electric power, 
and we are now on the point reducing our CO2 emissions (not that you 
have the sense to see that as pollutuion).

> Long-term prospects aren't good.

They are a lot better than they were a few years ago.

>> My Raspberries (not the food variant) are from:        the UK
>> ARM was invented in:                                                        the UK
> 
> Yes, the brits still invent things. Mainland europeans don't very
> much. The Chinese and Japanese don't very much. That's interesting.

John Larkin doesn't know much about mainland Europe, and the newspapers 
he reads aren't all that interested in what is going on there.

Blue LED's were a Japanese invention. American tend to be unaware of this.
> 
>> You may have heard about ASML:                                        The Netherlands
> 
> They bought Cymer, in San Diego, to get the EUV technology. My company
> designed the first gen tin droplet electronics.

Phil Hobbs did the design work. You put the electronics together for 
him. A curious observer might wonder why Philips were the firm to buy 
Cymer. America had dropped the ball on semi-conductor fabrication a few 
years earlier, so presumably none of the local firms were interested.

> The US invents things, more than any other country. There are lots of
> reasons for that. For example, we have lots of really smart Russian
> engineers here now.

And a strong culture of patenting anything that looks even faintly 
patentable. The country is crawling with lawyers, and lawyer love patents.

When I was working at EMI Central Research in the UK one of my 
colleagues in the medical ultrasound group submitted more patent queries 
in one year - about fifty - than anybody else in the entire research 
labs. None of them turned into a real patent. I got two patent out my 
three years there - one was for a digital hyperbolic function generator 
that got folded into a patent for an analog hyperbolic function 
generator, even though it had never stuck me as patentable, and the 
other one was for an idea that had struck me as obvious until I found 
myself explaining why it was obvious to people who were skilled in the 
art, and turned it into a patent query to save myself the trouble.

<snip>

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-27 10:43 -0800
  Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-27 15:22 -0500
    Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-01-27 12:27 -0800
      Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-27 13:46 -0800
        Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-27 17:19 -0500
          Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-27 14:45 -0800
        Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-29 02:54 +1100
          Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-28 08:13 -0800
            Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-28 14:21 -0500
              Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-01-28 16:02 -0500
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-29 13:41 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-28 22:59 -0500
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-01-29 17:46 -0500
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Coileán Pól Nioclás de Ghlostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-01-29 14:41 +0100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk> - 2026-01-29 19:03 +0100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-30 15:25 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-01-30 10:15 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-30 04:03 -0700
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-31 00:12 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-01-30 13:25 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-30 07:03 -0700
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-31 16:35 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-31 00:09 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-01-30 13:43 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-31 02:34 +1100
            Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-29 13:25 +1100
          Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-01-29 12:18 +0100
            Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 05:00 -0800
              Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-01-29 14:09 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 08:53 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-01-29 20:25 +0100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-01-29 18:18 -0500
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 16:53 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-30 15:49 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-01 11:58 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-02 09:48 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-02-02 18:29 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-02 12:33 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-03 05:50 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-03 07:56 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-04 05:44 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-04 03:24 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-05 01:35 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-02-04 21:31 +0100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-04 13:21 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-05 16:50 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-05 11:36 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-06 18:30 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-06 03:41 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-07 01:12 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-05 16:46 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-05 11:37 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-06 06:18 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-06 09:51 +0100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-06 12:30 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-05 09:14 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-02-05 04:39 -0700
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-05 14:30 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-02-05 08:36 -0700
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-06 02:07 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-04 15:53 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-05 01:04 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-04 15:58 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-02-03 16:23 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-03 09:03 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-02-03 17:47 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-02-03 11:18 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-02-04 01:21 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-03 18:52 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-02-03 13:40 -0500
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-03 23:38 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-03 05:41 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-03 10:46 -0800
              Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-30 03:08 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 08:56 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-30 15:56 +1100
            Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-30 03:04 +1100
              Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 08:59 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-01-29 20:50 +0100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 19:22 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-30 16:00 +1100
            Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 15:43 -0800
        Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk> - 2026-01-28 17:42 +0100
    Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-27 13:47 -0800
      Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-27 17:31 -0500
        Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-27 14:42 -0800
          Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-27 17:55 -0500
            Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-27 15:03 -0800
              Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-27 19:04 -0500
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-01-29 12:24 +0100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 10:43 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-30 16:07 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-30 11:45 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-31 16:51 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-29 23:03 -0700
          Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-01-28 00:18 +0100
          Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-01-28 11:57 +0000
            Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-28 08:19 -0800
              Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-28 15:18 -0500
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-28 13:12 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-28 16:54 -0500
            Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-28 15:13 -0500
    Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-27 15:32 -0700
      Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-27 17:44 -0500
        Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-27 15:55 -0700
          Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-27 19:13 -0500
            Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-01-27 19:53 -0500
            Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-27 20:30 -0700
              Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-29 01:56 +1100
              Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-01-29 12:29 +0100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-29 23:09 -0700
              Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-01-30 13:25 +0000
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-30 07:07 -0700
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-30 11:49 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-31 02:40 +1100
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-01-30 11:23 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-31 01:17 -0700
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-01-31 12:19 -0800
                Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-31 18:36 -0700
            Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-01-30 13:25 +0000
    Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk> - 2026-01-28 17:38 +0100
      Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-28 17:19 -0500
      Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-28 17:36 -0500
  Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-01-28 06:26 +0000

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