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| Date | 2026-01-28 22:59 -0500 |
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| Subject | Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war |
| Newsgroups | sci.electronics.design |
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| From | bitrex <user@example.net> |
| Message-ID | <697ada88$0$3779$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> (permalink) |
On 1/28/2026 9:41 PM, Bill Sloman wrote: > On 29/01/2026 8:02 am, Joe Gwinn wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 14:21:23 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >> >>> On 1/28/2026 11:13 AM, john larkin wrote: >>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 02:54:08 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 28/01/2026 8:46 am, john larkin wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2026 12:27:08 -0800, wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/27/26 12:22, bitrex wrote: >>>>>>>> On 1/27/2026 1:43 PM, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/magazine/ukraine-ai-drones-war- >>>>>>>>> russia.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John Larkin >>>>>>>>> Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center >>>>>>>>> Lunatic Fringe Electronics >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Ukraine has become a fast-feedback, live-fire test range in >>>>>>>> which arms >>>>>>>> manufacturers, governments, venture capitalists, frontline units >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> coders and engineers from around the West collaborate to produce >>>>>>>> weapons >>>>>>>> that automate parts of the conventional military kill chain." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Coders and engineers falling all over themselves to sell their >>>>>>>> souls out >>>>>>>> to the war machine and the State like the filthiest of $2 >>>>>>>> prostitutes, >>>>>>>> sad stuff indeed.. >>>>>>> You think there is something new here? >>>>>> >>>>>> What's new is that our robots are killing their robots. >>>>>> >>>>>> A $200M fighter jet with a pilot inside can be replaced with a swarm >>>>>> of cheap expendable things. >>>>>> >>>>>> The first country that shuts down its enemies pipelines and power >>>>>> grid >>>>>> and railroads wins. >>>>> >>>>> Russia and the Ukraine do seem to be trying to do that to one another. >>>>> >>>>> Neither seems to be doing it effectively enough to knock the other >>>>> out. >>>>> >>>>> People do seem to be pretty good at repairing pipe-lines and power >>>>> grids >>>>> and the like. >>>>> >>>>> The end-stage of WW2 in Europe was about a year when allied aircraft >>>>> were knocking out trains all over the German railway system, and while >>>>> this didn't help the German war effort, the end stage still >>>>> involved big >>>>> invading armies basically occupying the whole country. >>>>> >>>>> Russia's formal invasion of the Ukraine was an attempt to do just >>>>> that, >>>>> and it utterly failed. Russia has spent the last four years inching >>>>> it's >>>>> way into the Ukraine from the borders with Russia,and it has made some >>>>> progress, but it has been very slow and very expensive. >>>> >>>> The damage to Russia has been immense. The best talent has left (which >>>> Putin doesn't mind) and the birth rate is about 1.4. >>>> >>>> >>>> John Larkin >>>> Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center >>>> Lunatic Fringe Electronics >>> >>> The evidence is overwhelming the Soviets posed negligible conventional >>> arms threat to western Europe, either. >>> >>> Good thing we spent $500 billion over 50 years defending the Fulda Gap >>> and on arms development to keep pace with a threat that didn't exist.. >> >> Wrong question. The Russians get a vote too. >> >> If we had not spent that money, Europe would have suffered Ukraine's >> fate long before now. > > Probably not. The American spending on military equipment reflects the > greed of American arms manufacturers, and their political influence. > > Read Mary Kaldor's "The Baroque Arsenal" from 1981. > > https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1981-09-01/ > baroque-arsenal > > It is notable that the Abrams tank uses a German gun, and British > Chobham reactive armour. Europe may not spend as much on arms as the US, > but what they do spend they spend effectively. > > Russia's economy is about the same size as Italy's - they can barely > sustain their assault on the Ukraine. They wouldn't last long against > Germany and the European allies who would back them up. I think it was clear to some Middle Eastern scholars at least that the ability of the Soviet Union to go on substantive offensives into a late 20th century Germany was always kind of suspect, they were pretty terrible even at materially supporting their client states in the Middle East in the 70s/80s, Israel pummeled them with impunity and the Soviets couldn't really do much about it. Beirut wasn't much further from the old Soviet border than Bonn..
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Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-27 10:43 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-27 15:22 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-01-27 12:27 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-27 13:46 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-27 17:19 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-27 14:45 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-29 02:54 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-28 08:13 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-28 14:21 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-01-28 16:02 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-29 13:41 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-28 22:59 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-01-29 17:46 -0500
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Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk> - 2026-01-29 19:03 +0100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-30 15:25 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-01-30 10:15 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-30 04:03 -0700
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-31 00:12 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-01-30 13:25 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-30 07:03 -0700
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-31 16:35 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-31 00:09 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-01-30 13:43 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-31 02:34 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-29 13:25 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-01-29 12:18 +0100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 05:00 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-01-29 14:09 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 08:53 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-01-29 20:25 +0100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-01-29 18:18 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 16:53 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-30 15:49 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-01 11:58 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-02 09:48 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-02-02 18:29 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-02 12:33 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-03 05:50 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-03 07:56 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-04 05:44 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-04 03:24 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-05 01:35 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-02-04 21:31 +0100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-04 13:21 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-05 16:50 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-05 11:36 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-06 18:30 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-06 03:41 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-07 01:12 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-05 16:46 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-05 11:37 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-06 06:18 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-06 09:51 +0100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-06 12:30 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-05 09:14 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-02-05 04:39 -0700
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-05 14:30 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-02-05 08:36 -0700
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-06 02:07 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-04 15:53 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-05 01:04 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-04 15:58 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-02-03 16:23 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-03 09:03 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-02-03 17:47 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-02-03 11:18 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2026-02-04 01:21 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-03 18:52 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-02-03 13:40 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-03 23:38 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-03 05:41 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-03 10:46 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-30 03:08 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 08:56 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-30 15:56 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-30 03:04 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 08:59 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-01-29 20:50 +0100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 19:22 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-30 16:00 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 15:43 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk> - 2026-01-28 17:42 +0100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-27 13:47 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-27 17:31 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-27 14:42 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-27 17:55 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-27 15:03 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-27 19:04 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-01-29 12:24 +0100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 10:43 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-30 16:07 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-30 11:45 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-31 16:51 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-29 23:03 -0700
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-01-28 00:18 +0100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-01-28 11:57 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-28 08:19 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-28 15:18 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-28 13:12 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-28 16:54 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-28 15:13 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-27 15:32 -0700
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-27 17:44 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-27 15:55 -0700
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-27 19:13 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-01-27 19:53 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-27 20:30 -0700
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-29 01:56 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-01-29 12:29 +0100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-29 23:09 -0700
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-01-30 13:25 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-30 07:07 -0700
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-30 11:49 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-31 02:40 +1100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-01-30 11:23 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-31 01:17 -0700
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-01-31 12:19 -0800
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2026-01-31 18:36 -0700
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-01-30 13:25 +0000
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk> - 2026-01-28 17:38 +0100
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-28 17:19 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war bitrex <user@example.net> - 2026-01-28 17:36 -0500
Re: Raspberry Pi goes to war Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-01-28 06:26 +0000
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