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Re: is the ct-thesis cooked?

From dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.theory, comp.ai.philosophy, comp.software-eng
Subject Re: is the ct-thesis cooked?
Date 2026-01-24 18:24 -0800
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On 1/24/26 4:52 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 1/24/26 5:36 PM, dart200 wrote:
>> On 1/24/26 6:44 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 1/20/26 8:55 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>> On 1/20/26 4:59 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 1/20/26 1:18 AM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/19/26 9:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/18/26 11:51 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/18/26 4:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/18/26 4:50 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/18/26 12:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/18/26 1:15 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/18/26 4:05 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/18/26 1:05 AM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/17/26 7:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/17/26 10:14 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck starving to death when your money runs out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one can only hope for so much sometimes 🙏
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you don't understand the rules of logic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also not an argument
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, YOUR PROBLEM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's pretty crazy i can produce a machine (even if u 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't understood it yet) that produces a consistent 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deterministic result that is "not a computation".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because you get that result only by equivocating on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your definitions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the context is part of the inpt to make the output 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> determistic from the input, then they fail to be usable 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as sub- computations as we can't control that context 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part of the input.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When we look at just the controllable input for a sub- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computation, the output is NOT a deterministic function 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of that inut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure what the fuck it's doing if it's not a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its using hidden inputs that the caller can't control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which we do all the time in normal programming, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something which apparently u think the tHeOrY oF 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CoMpUtInG fails to encapsulate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, but that isn't about computations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty crazy we do a bunch "non-computating" in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal act of programming computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I have said, "Computatations" is NOT about how modern 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computers work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you are just showing that you fundamentally don't 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand the problem field you are betting your life on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one would presume the fundamental theory of computing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be general enough to encapsulate everything computed 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by real world computers, no???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember, the fundamental theory of Computing PREDATES the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer as you know it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> so ur saying it's outdated and needs updating in regards to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> new things we do with computers that apparently turing 
>>>>>>>>>>>> machines as a model don't have variations of ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, it still handles that which it was developed for.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> well it was developed to be a general theory of computing, and 
>>>>>>>>>> apparently modern computing has transcended that theory ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not really.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> THe way modern processors work, "sub-routines" can fail to be 
>>>>>>>>> computations, but whole programs will tend to be. Sub-routines 
>>>>>>>>> CAN be built with care to fall under its guidance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lol, what are they even if not "computations"???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not-computations
>>>>>>
>>>>>> great, a set of deterministic steps that produces a result but is 
>>>>>> somehow not a compution!
>>>>>
>>>>> Because it isn't deterministically based on the INPUT, 
>>>>
>>>> no it's just a series of steps to produce some output.
>>>
>>> Nope, not in the formulation of the theory.
>>
>> again: YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN THAT TURING MACHINES, OR ANY EQUIVALENT 
>> THEORY, ENCOMPASS ALL POSSIBLE COMPUTATIONS
>>
>> like holy fuck, how many times will i need to repeat that???
>>
>> it's a ct-THESIS not a ct-LAW
> 
> But I can say that Computations as defined, are all that they can do.

i will never care about you complaining about the fact the computations 
i'm talking about don't fit within the particular box you call a 
"Computation", because i just doesn't mean anything,

u and the entire field can be wrong about how u specified "Computation",

and that potential is well codified by the fact the ct-thesis is still a 
thesis and not a law.

i will not respond to more comments on this because it's a boring, lazy, 
non-argument that is fucking waste of both our time.

-- 
arising us out of the computing dark ages,
please excuse my pseudo-pyscript,
~ nick

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  Re: is the ct-thesis cooked? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-01-12 14:09 -0800
    Re: is the ct-thesis cooked? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2026-01-12 22:16 -0500
      Re: is the ct-thesis cooked? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:21 -0800
        Re: is the ct-thesis cooked? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2026-01-13 07:09 -0500
          Re: is the ct-thesis cooked? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-01-13 12:33 -0800
            Re: is the ct-thesis cooked? Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2026-01-14 02:41 +0000
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            Re: is the ct-thesis cooked? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2026-01-14 22:43 -0500
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                Re: is the ct-thesis cooked? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2026-01-16 11:46 -0500
                Re: is the ct-thesis cooked? dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-01-16 14:21 -0800
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