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| Started by | Codger <codger524@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2026-04-11 10:00 +0100 |
| Last post | 2026-04-16 14:42 +0100 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 160 — 25 participants |
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BT Digital Voice with no router Codger <codger524@gmail.com> - 2026-04-11 10:00 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Codger <codger524@gmail.com> - 2026-04-11 10:30 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Bob Pullen <me@privacy.net> - 2026-04-11 11:02 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) - 2026-04-11 14:12 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-04-11 11:02 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-04-11 11:13 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-11 13:54 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-04-11 18:24 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Mike Humphrey <mail@michaelhumphrey.me.uk> - 2026-04-11 17:36 +0000
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-12 12:35 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-04-12 12:50 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-13 13:37 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-04-13 13:53 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-04-13 22:41 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-03 13:17 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-03 23:21 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-04 11:39 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-05-04 11:55 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-04 12:10 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-04 16:41 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-05-04 17:37 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-04 17:46 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-05 23:33 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-05-06 09:03 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-06 09:16 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Bob Eager <throwaway0008@eager.cx> - 2026-05-06 08:28 +0000
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-05-06 09:31 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2026-05-06 10:34 +0200
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-06 14:34 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-06 16:16 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2026-05-06 17:53 +0200
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-06 18:17 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-06 20:23 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2026-05-06 21:41 +0200
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-07 14:14 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-06 09:40 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-06 14:46 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-06 16:27 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-06 16:38 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-06 18:20 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-06 19:55 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2026-05-04 19:39 +0200
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-04 19:07 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2026-05-04 22:30 +0200
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-05-04 22:56 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-05 09:07 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-05 23:36 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2026-05-06 10:24 +0200
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-06 14:49 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2026-05-04 19:26 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-05-04 20:06 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-04 20:13 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-05 11:09 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-04 17:46 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-04 17:50 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-04 17:58 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-04 18:19 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2026-05-04 19:36 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-05-04 17:59 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2026-05-04 19:33 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-05 13:17 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2026-05-05 14:11 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-05 14:28 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-05 23:40 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-06 13:50 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-06 14:53 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-06 17:53 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> - 2026-05-09 09:49 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-05 11:01 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-05-04 17:35 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-04 17:50 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-05 11:13 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-05-05 12:13 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-05 12:34 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-05 12:39 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-05 17:15 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-05-05 23:29 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-06 10:13 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 17:30 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 17:24 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-06 18:04 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-09 10:24 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 12:02 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-05-10 10:56 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-10 18:50 +0100
OT: Steam (was: Re: BT Digital Voice with no router) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-10 20:16 +0100
Re: OT: Steam Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-11 12:12 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:13 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-05-11 18:25 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-05-12 09:22 +0000
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-05-12 13:22 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-05-12 14:21 +0000
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 15:34 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-05-12 14:50 +0000
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-05-12 16:10 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2026-05-13 21:10 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 15:19 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-12 16:32 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 09:44 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-13 10:42 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:09 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router grinch <grinch@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-13 14:29 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 18:51 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-13 20:44 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-05-13 13:51 +0000
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 18:53 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-05-13 21:25 +0000
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2026-05-04 19:26 +0200
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-05 11:14 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-04 21:31 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Codger <codger524@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 08:52 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-05 11:15 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-05 12:23 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-05-05 22:46 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-06 09:15 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-06 11:44 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-25 18:00 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-26 14:53 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-04 12:18 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-04 14:13 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-04 21:36 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-04 14:28 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-04 12:14 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-04 14:11 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-05-05 07:39 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-05 12:25 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-05 13:29 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-04 12:08 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-04 14:24 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-04-13 23:35 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-04-14 09:13 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-04-14 18:43 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-04-14 18:51 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-04-14 20:00 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-04-15 09:56 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-04-15 09:56 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-03 13:14 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-03 13:29 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-03 14:08 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Rupert Moss-Eccardt <news@moss-eccardt.com> - 2026-05-03 16:43 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-05-03 18:39 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-03 22:39 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-04 09:15 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Rupert Moss-Eccardt <news@moss-eccardt.com> - 2026-05-03 16:43 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-05-03 18:15 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-04-12 15:40 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-04-11 18:39 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-04-11 19:59 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-04-12 08:39 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-04-12 13:08 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Rupert Moss-Eccardt <news@moss-eccardt.com> - 2026-04-19 14:29 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-04-11 20:55 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-04-11 22:08 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-04-12 08:42 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-04-12 09:33 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-04-12 13:08 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> - 2026-04-11 11:15 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-04-11 12:43 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-04-16 13:59 +0100
Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-04-16 14:42 +0100
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| From | Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 19:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <82mrycqse8.fsf@example.com> |
| In reply to | #39531 |
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes: > On 2026/5/6 16:38:7, Andy Burns wrote: >> David Woolley wrote: >> >>> Phones that have easily changeable batteries are going to be rare >> >> They're going to become common again by Feb 2027 as the EU is mandating >> batteries changeable by end-users with normal tools, there might be a >> few wrinkles compared to the old days ... >> > Hmm. And UK landlines off by end January. Coincidence? :-) You can change the battery on Fairphones, but it costs £479! Even more if you want /e/OS. https://www.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6
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| From | David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-04 19:39 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <10tall8$3r5c1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39456 |
On 04/05/2026 18:37, Nick Finnigan wrote: > On 04/05/2026 16:41, Richmond wrote: >> >> Has anyone calculated how much it costs to run a mobile phone? Claude >> estimates £250-£450 per annum. So if mobile is the backup plan you have >> to add that on to VOIP. And you have to add on the cost of fibre too. > You can still order a phone without broadband. It will cost more than broadband phone but you can still order it. If you just want a mobile for backup then you can run one for much much less. Argus have a Nokia mobile for £19.99 https://www.argos.co.uk/product/7568590 if you then put £10 on a GiffGaff account you just need to make one chargeable call or send an SMS every 6 months. GiffGaff e-mail. Assuming you send an SMS your £10 will last you 50 years. > 20p a year if you don't use it, £40 a year if you only talk to other > giffgaff users, £72 for unlimited calls and SMS, (if no mobile data). > >> As there is hardly any reception in my house, mobile phone calls are >> expensive VOIP calls. > > Should be included in the above.
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| From | Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-04 19:07 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <82mryf82wd.fsf@example.com> |
| In reply to | #39465 |
David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> writes: > You can still order a phone without broadband. It will cost more than > broadband phone but you can still order it. > > If you just want a mobile for backup then you can run one for much > much less. Argus have a Nokia mobile for £19.99 > > https://www.argos.co.uk/product/7568590 > > if you then put £10 on a GiffGaff account you just need to make one > chargeable call or send an SMS every 6 months. GiffGaff > e-mail. Assuming you send an SMS your £10 will last you 50 years. > > That advert says the network is vodafone. And it is supplied without a charger, so you would have to buy a charger. Presumably you wouldn't have one if you were elderly and being forced off your landline. I can't work out if there is a contract in that price or if it is locked to vodafone. It's too late for me to order a phone without broadband as I already had a phone with broadband and it was ADSL2 and my understanding was if I tried to do anything with the phone line, ADSL2 would be disconnected.
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| From | David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-04 22:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <10tavkg$3ulgg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39466 |
On 04/05/2026 20:07, Richmond wrote: > David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> writes: > >> You can still order a phone without broadband. It will cost more than >> broadband phone but you can still order it. >> >> If you just want a mobile for backup then you can run one for much >> much less. Argus have a Nokia mobile for £19.99 >> >> https://www.argos.co.uk/product/7568590 >> >> if you then put £10 on a GiffGaff account you just need to make one >> chargeable call or send an SMS every 6 months. GiffGaff >> e-mail. Assuming you send an SMS your £10 will last you 50 years. >> >> > > That advert says the network is vodafone. And it is supplied without a > charger, so you would have to buy a charger. Presumably you wouldn't have > one if you were elderly and being forced off your landline. > sorry the sim free is £39.99 https://www.argos.co.uk/product/2911946 it comes with a cable but no wall wart. £8.99 on e-bay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/395876198207 > I can't work out if there is a contract in that price or if it is locked > to vodafone. > > It's too late for me to order a phone without broadband as I already had > a phone with broadband and it was ADSL2 and my understanding was if I > tried to do anything with the phone line, ADSL2 would be disconnected. Pretty much correct. I would have thought you could get full fibre 50 for 25 quid a month. probably more than adsl. I would have thought the zen offer of Full Fibre 100 at 28 quid plus phone at 5 quid a month would be less than BT. dave
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| From | Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-04 22:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10tb4lq$3r31f$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39472 |
On 04/05/2026 21:30, David Wade wrote: > > Pretty much correct. I would have thought you could get full fibre 50 for > 25 quid a month. probably more than adsl. I would have thought the zen > offer of Full Fibre 100 at 28 quid plus phone at 5 quid a month would be > less than BT. For me, openreach Zen 105 is £33 + £7.50, EE 150 £29 + £5 (ignoring setup fees, annual increases, inclusive landline calls etc.)
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| From | Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-05 09:07 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <82bjeu8ejk.fsf@example.com> |
| In reply to | #39475 |
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> writes: > On 04/05/2026 21:30, David Wade wrote: >> Pretty much correct. I would have thought you could get full fibre 50 >> for 25 quid a month. probably more than adsl. I would have thought >> the zen offer of Full Fibre 100 at 28 quid plus phone at 5 quid a >> month would be less than BT. > > For me, openreach Zen 105 is £33 + £7.50, EE 150 £29 + £5 (ignoring > setup fees, annual increases, inclusive landline calls etc.) Not everything was available to me at the time. I think it was only Ultra Fast which was available. I had only recently been told that fibre was available, and it was FTTP. At the time of searching the cheapest one was Vodafone, although there were annual rises stipulated. But I could not log into their server and when I phoned them they refused to speak to me because I couldn't answer their security questions, of which there were at least six I think. As it was within 14 days I cancelled.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-05 23:36 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10tdrcu$mte3$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39472 |
On 2026/5/4 21:30:7, David Wade wrote: [] > Pretty much correct. I would have thought you could get full fibre 50 > for 25 quid a month. probably more than adsl. I would have thought the > zen offer of Full Fibre 100 at 28 quid plus phone at 5 quid a month > would be less than BT. How many minutes are included in that 5 a month? > > dave John -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum." Translation: "Garbage in, garbage out."
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| From | David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 10:24 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <10tetr3$11qgj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39499 |
On 06/05/2026 00:36, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/5/4 21:30:7, David Wade wrote: > [] >> Pretty much correct. I would have thought you could get full fibre 50 >> for 25 quid a month. probably more than adsl. I would have thought the >> zen offer of Full Fibre 100 at 28 quid plus phone at 5 quid a month >> would be less than BT. > > How many minutes are included in that 5 a month? Only 1000 >> >> dave > > John >
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-06 14:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10tfgsc$q6jk$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39504 |
On 2026/5/6 9:24:5, David Wade wrote: > On 06/05/2026 00:36, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> On 2026/5/4 21:30:7, David Wade wrote: >> [] >>> Pretty much correct. I would have thought you could get full fibre 50 >>> for 25 quid a month. probably more than adsl. I would have thought the >>> zen offer of Full Fibre 100 at 28 quid plus phone at 5 quid a month >>> would be less than BT. >> >> How many minutes are included in that 5 a month? > > > Only 1000 > That's pretty good! Is that available separately (for the 5 pounds), or only if you also have your main broadband with them (sort of "duel fuel discount")? IIRR voipfone's fiver-or-so (maybe plus VAT) offering is only about 100 minutes. >>> >>> dave >> >> John >> > John -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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| From | Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> |
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| Date | 2026-05-04 19:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <j05ncm-avc72.ln1@q957.zbmc.eu> |
| In reply to | #39456 |
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote: > On 04/05/2026 16:41, Richmond wrote: > > > > Has anyone calculated how much it costs to run a mobile phone? Claude > > estimates £250-£450 per annum. So if mobile is the backup plan you have > > to add that on to VOIP. And you have to add on the cost of fibre too. > > 20p a year if you don't use it, £40 a year if you only talk to other > giffgaff users, £72 for unlimited calls and SMS, (if no mobile data). > However if your mobile phone cost £500 (which isn't outlandish) that takes 2500 years that the handset would have to survive. -- Chris Green ·
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| From | Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-04 20:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10taqn6$3r31f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39467 |
On 04/05/2026 19:26, Chris Green wrote: > Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote: >> On 04/05/2026 16:41, Richmond wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone calculated how much it costs to run a mobile phone? Claude >>> estimates £250-£450 per annum. So if mobile is the backup plan you have >>> to add that on to VOIP. And you have to add on the cost of fibre too. >> >> 20p a year if you don't use it, £40 a year if you only talk to other >> giffgaff users, £72 for unlimited calls and SMS, (if no mobile data). >> > However if your mobile phone cost £500 (which isn't outlandish) that > takes 2500 years that the handset would have to survive. > £500 for an alternative to a house phone is outlandish.
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| From | Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-04 20:13 +0100 |
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| In reply to | #39470 |
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> writes: > On 04/05/2026 19:26, Chris Green wrote: >> Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote: >>> On 04/05/2026 16:41, Richmond wrote: >>>> >>>> Has anyone calculated how much it costs to run a mobile phone? Claude >>>> estimates £250-£450 per annum. So if mobile is the backup plan you have >>>> to add that on to VOIP. And you have to add on the cost of fibre too. >>> >>> 20p a year if you don't use it, £40 a year if you only talk to other >>> giffgaff users, £72 for unlimited calls and SMS, (if no mobile data). >>> >> However if your mobile phone cost £500 (which isn't outlandish) that >> takes 2500 years that the handset would have to survive. >> > > £500 for an alternative to a house phone is outlandish. If the alternative to the housephone is doing wifi calling, then it isn't the alternative to the landline, it is the fibre broadband which is the alternative to the landline.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-05 11:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10tcfjt$akv2$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39471 |
On 04/05/2026 20:13, Richmond wrote: >> £500 for an alternative to a house phone is outlandish. > If the alternative to the housephone is doing wifi calling, then it > isn't the alternative to the landline, it is the fibre broadband which > is the alternative to the landline. Yes. I ended up paying around £200 for a wifi calling phone on PAYG a screen and two batteries later its cost me another £200 over 9 years. that's about £50 a year. I paid more for a BT landline - and still do FTTP Internet access however is more like £30 a month All dwarf into insignificance compared with Miliband style energy costs, the I hate cars labour government, and we hate rich people council taxes. -- “it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a 'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,' a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian utopia of 1984.” Vaclav Klaus
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| From | Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-04 17:46 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ljD*vnJFA@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #39454 |
Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote: > Has anyone calculated how much it costs to run a mobile phone? Claude > estimates £250-£450 per annum. So if mobile is the backup plan you have > to add that on to VOIP. And you have to add on the cost of fibre too. I pay £2.99 a month for unlimited calls, texts and 1GB of data. Good luck getting a landline with unlimited calls from the usual suspects for that. > As there is hardly any reception in my house, mobile phone calls are > expensive VOIP calls. If your mobile does Wifi Calling, you can call using your mobile minutes and your broadband for backhaul. Although for making calls I do prefer using DECT handsets over awkward squares of glass. (yes, I know hands free and headsets etc are available) Theo
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| From | Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-04 17:50 +0100 |
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| In reply to | #39457 |
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes: > Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote: >> Has anyone calculated how much it costs to run a mobile phone? Claude >> estimates £250-£450 per annum. So if mobile is the backup plan you have >> to add that on to VOIP. And you have to add on the cost of fibre too. > > I pay £2.99 a month for unlimited calls, texts and 1GB of data. So, you too have misread the question and calculated the cost of a SIM card, not the cost of running a mobile phone. > > Good luck getting a landline with unlimited calls from the usual suspects > for that. > >> As there is hardly any reception in my house, mobile phone calls are >> expensive VOIP calls. > > If your mobile does Wifi Calling, you can call using your mobile minutes and > your broadband for backhaul. Yes, that's what I meant. My mobile costs more than VOIP but as the signal is poor it uses VOIP anyway. So I am paying 3p for a VOIP call, I might as well use VOIP and pay 1p. > > Although for making calls I do prefer using DECT handsets over awkward > squares of glass. (yes, I know hands free and headsets etc are available) > Yes and there is less latency.
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| From | Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-04 17:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <jjD*nqJFA@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #39459 |
Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote: > Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes: > > > Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote: > >> Has anyone calculated how much it costs to run a mobile phone? Claude > >> estimates £250-£450 per annum. So if mobile is the backup plan you have > >> to add that on to VOIP. And you have to add on the cost of fibre too. > > > > I pay £2.99 a month for unlimited calls, texts and 1GB of data. > > So, you too have misread the question and calculated the cost of a SIM > card, not the cost of running a mobile phone. I bought an HMD 110 new for £29. It does 4G and VoLTE. I don't use it as my primary phone but if I would if I only wanted calls and texts. Pay a little more and you get wifi support and wifi calling. All my other phones have been bought used for a fraction of the new price. > > Good luck getting a landline with unlimited calls from the usual suspects > > for that. > > > >> As there is hardly any reception in my house, mobile phone calls are > >> expensive VOIP calls. > > > > If your mobile does Wifi Calling, you can call using your mobile minutes and > > your broadband for backhaul. > > Yes, that's what I meant. My mobile costs more than VOIP but as the > signal is poor it uses VOIP anyway. So I am paying 3p for a VOIP call, I > might as well use VOIP and pay 1p. My VOIP costs more than my mobile minutes, but I prefer using the DECT handset so I tend to pay the extra to use VOIP. (also, being on a call while wanting to access things on your smartphone is annoying, especially if they do things like text you security codes) Theo
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| From | Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-04 18:19 +0100 |
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| In reply to | #39461 |
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes: > Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote: >> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes: >> >> > Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote: >> >> Has anyone calculated how much it costs to run a mobile phone? >> >> Claude estimates £250-£450 per annum. So if mobile is the backup >> >> plan you have to add that on to VOIP. And you have to add on the >> >> cost of fibre too. >> > >> > I pay £2.99 a month for unlimited calls, texts and 1GB of data. >> >> So, you too have misread the question and calculated the cost of a >> SIM card, not the cost of running a mobile phone. > > I bought an HMD 110 new for £29. It does 4G and VoLTE. I don't use > it as my primary phone but if I would if I only wanted calls and > texts. Pay a little more and you get wifi support and wifi calling. > > All my other phones have been bought used for a fraction of the new > price. > >> > Good luck getting a landline with unlimited calls from the usual >> > suspects for that. >> > >> >> As there is hardly any reception in my house, mobile phone calls >> >> are expensive VOIP calls. >> > >> > If your mobile does Wifi Calling, you can call using your mobile >> > minutes and your broadband for backhaul. >> >> Yes, that's what I meant. My mobile costs more than VOIP but as the >> signal is poor it uses VOIP anyway. So I am paying 3p for a VOIP >> call, I might as well use VOIP and pay 1p. > > My VOIP costs more than my mobile minutes, but I prefer using the DECT > handset so I tend to pay the extra to use VOIP. > > (also, being on a call while wanting to access things on your > smartphone is annoying, especially if they do things like text you > security codes) > > Theo This is too complicated to make a cost comparison. You say you have a feature phone, but it is not your main phone. Anyone who has a smartphone is likely to use the smart phone as a backup rather than buy a feature phone as a backup. Two phones mean two SIM cards each requiring TOP ups to keep them alive. But how do you compare the future cost of POTS with all these costs?
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| From | Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> |
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| Date | 2026-05-04 19:36 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <7i5ncm-avc72.ln1@q957.zbmc.eu> |
| In reply to | #39461 |
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote: > > Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes: > > > > > Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote: > > >> Has anyone calculated how much it costs to run a mobile phone? Claude > > >> estimates £250-£450 per annum. So if mobile is the backup plan you have > > >> to add that on to VOIP. And you have to add on the cost of fibre too. > > > > > > I pay £2.99 a month for unlimited calls, texts and 1GB of data. > > > > So, you too have misread the question and calculated the cost of a SIM > > card, not the cost of running a mobile phone. > > I bought an HMD 110 new for £29. It does 4G and VoLTE. Only on some networks! There is no universal standard for VoLTE or VoWifi and as a result it's pot luck (or lots of research) to find out if a particular handset/phone will work with any particular mobile provider. -- Chris Green ·
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| From | Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-05-04 17:59 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10taj8r$3hrpv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39459 |
On 04/05/2026 17:50, Richmond wrote: > Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes: > >> Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote: >>> Has anyone calculated how much it costs to run a mobile phone? Claude >>> estimates £250-£450 per annum. So if mobile is the backup plan you have >>> to add that on to VOIP. And you have to add on the cost of fibre too. >> >> I pay £2.99 a month for unlimited calls, texts and 1GB of data. > > So, you too have misread the question and calculated the cost of a SIM > card, not the cost of running a mobile phone. The SIM card is free, that's the cost of running a mobile phone. Around £50 to purchase one. >> Good luck getting a landline with unlimited calls from the usual suspects >> for that. >> >>> As there is hardly any reception in my house, mobile phone calls are >>> expensive VOIP calls. >> >> If your mobile does Wifi Calling, you can call using your mobile minutes and >> your broadband for backhaul. > > Yes, that's what I meant. My mobile costs more than VOIP but as the > signal is poor it uses VOIP anyway. So I am paying 3p for a VOIP call, I > might as well use VOIP and pay 1p. ... but you don't need to purchase one.
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| From | Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> |
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| Date | 2026-05-04 19:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <2d5ncm-avc72.ln1@q957.zbmc.eu> |
| In reply to | #39457 |
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote: > > Has anyone calculated how much it costs to run a mobile phone? Claude > > estimates £250-£450 per annum. So if mobile is the backup plan you have > > to add that on to VOIP. And you have to add on the cost of fibre too. > > I pay £2.99 a month for unlimited calls, texts and 1GB of data. > Spusu? > Good luck getting a landline with unlimited calls from the usual suspects > for that. > Yes, but your hardware is **way** more expensive and goes out of date much faster. A POTS phone from the 1930s will still probably work with a 'real' landline. For a handset that works on Spusu (or whatever you happen to use) you'll need to replace it every few years or so. > > As there is hardly any reception in my house, mobile phone calls are > > expensive VOIP calls. > > If your mobile does Wifi Calling, you can call using your mobile minutes and > your broadband for backhaul. > More expense, the disater that is 4G which works with some networks, if you happen to have the right handset which works with VoWifi etc. means that if you want to change anything it will likely stop working. > Although for making calls I do prefer using DECT handsets over awkward > squares of glass. (yes, I know hands free and headsets etc are available) > Aha! There's a luddite in there/ :-) -- Chris Green ·
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