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Re: BT Digital Voice with no router

From Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com>
Newsgroups uk.telecom
Subject Re: BT Digital Voice with no router
Date 2026-05-04 18:19 +0100
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Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:

> Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
>> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:
>> 
>> > Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
>> >> Has anyone calculated how much it costs to run a mobile phone?
>> >> Claude estimates £250-£450 per annum. So if mobile is the backup
>> >> plan you have to add that on to VOIP. And you have to add on the
>> >> cost of fibre too.
>> >
>> > I pay £2.99 a month for unlimited calls, texts and 1GB of data.
>> 
>> So, you too have misread the question and calculated the cost of a
>> SIM card, not the cost of running a mobile phone.
>
> I bought an HMD 110 new for £29.  It does 4G and VoLTE.  I don't use
> it as my primary phone but if I would if I only wanted calls and
> texts.  Pay a little more and you get wifi support and wifi calling.
>
> All my other phones have been bought used for a fraction of the new
> price.
>
>> > Good luck getting a landline with unlimited calls from the usual
>> > suspects for that.
>> >
>> >> As there is hardly any reception in my house, mobile phone calls
>> >> are expensive VOIP calls.
>> >
>> > If your mobile does Wifi Calling, you can call using your mobile
>> > minutes and your broadband for backhaul.
>> 
>> Yes, that's what I meant. My mobile costs more than VOIP but as the
>> signal is poor it uses VOIP anyway. So I am paying 3p for a VOIP
>> call, I might as well use VOIP and pay 1p.
>
> My VOIP costs more than my mobile minutes, but I prefer using the DECT
> handset so I tend to pay the extra to use VOIP.
>
> (also, being on a call while wanting to access things on your
> smartphone is annoying, especially if they do things like text you
> security codes)
>
> Theo

This is too complicated to make a cost comparison. You say you have a
feature phone, but it is not your main phone. Anyone who has a
smartphone is likely to use the smart phone as a backup rather than buy
a feature phone as a backup. Two phones mean two SIM cards each
requiring TOP ups to keep them alive.

But how do you compare the future cost of POTS with all these costs?

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                Re: BT Digital Voice with no router David Wade <dave@g4ugm.invalid> - 2026-05-04 19:39 +0200
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