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| From | "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.computer.workshop, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, uk.comp.sys.mac |
| Subject | Re: Today's challenge! 😈 (Was - You can protec t your Mac from malware by following three simple rules! ) |
| Date | 2026-04-12 20:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n429emFgvflU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | <n0qntoF2nsU1@mid.individual.net> <n41po2Fejs2U1@mid.individual.net> <69dbb609$0$26$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <n41rvcFev6eU1@mid.individual.net> <69dbdea9$3$19$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
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On 12/04/2026 19:04, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Apr 12, 2026 at 8:27:40 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote > <n41rvcFev6eU1@mid.individual.net>: > >> On 12/04/2026 16:11, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> On Apr 12, 2026 at 7:49:38 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote >>> <n41po2Fejs2U1@mid.individual.net>: >>> >>>> On 12/04/2026 01:09, Brock McNuggets - a Mac user - responded! >>>>> On Apr 11, 2026 at 2:33:38 PM MST, ""David B."" asked a question. >>>>> <n3vt1iF5j1aU1@mid.individual.net>: >>>> [....] >>>>>> Have YOU checked to see if YOU have past EtreCheck reports hidden here? >>>>>> >>>>>> ~/Library/Application Support/EtreCheck >>>>>> >>>>>> Do tell. Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> I have some there, but not hidden. Or maybe there are obvious ones and secret >>>>> hidden ones too! :) >>>> >>>> Thank you for confirming that, Brock! 🙂 >>> >>> Sure. >>>> >>>> As you are well aware, most folk never look in their Library ... >>>> ..... the one under "Go" in their Finder title bar. >>> >>> Nor is thee any need. >>>> >>>> Indeed, one has to press the "Option" key to display it. So, what *IS* >>>> shown there is effectively hidden. Agreed? >>> >>> And not even always on option. Go to your Home folder and then View >Show View >>> Options >>> >>> There is an option to show the Library folder. It will show in the Home >>> folder, but then it will NOT show in the "Go" menu even if you hold option. >>> >>> But it is made less obvious by design... it is not something most users need >>> to go into. >> >> That is a fair point regarding the View Options; it’s certainly a more >> permanent way to keep the folder visible for those who need frequent >> access to ~/Library. > > Well, keeps it visible in the Library (which I knew) but I thought it kept it > visible in the Go menu... but it hides it from there even on Option. Either my > memory is wrong or Apple changed something in the last version or so. No > biggie. Keep up, dear boy! ;-) >>>> OK >>>> >>>> Please delete "~/Library/Application Support/EtreCheck" >>>> >>>> Restart your computer and then check that the above item has GONE! >>> >>> If I reboot I will lose this message -- weakness of my client. So maybe later. >> >> Have you raised this wit the developer of Usenapp? > > I have not... though not a bad idea to do so. Perhaps I should start to use it again - I have paid for it! >>> But I would expect them to be gone. >> >> Pssst - they will be! ;-) > > Good. Though with my issues with iCloud / macOS recently it might come back > (not likely -- that folder is not backed up on iCloud, but iCloud and my Mac > are NOT doing as they should!) In your situation I'd restart in Internet Recovery and install a fresh copy of macOS again. You won't lose any files, photos or documents. It doesn't take much more than half an hour or so! >>>> If it has gone, visit www.etrecheck.com, download and run Etrecheck >>> >>> I have no desire to download and run it again... and you do not trust it so >>> why would you advise people to do this? >> >> Simply to establish the truth. > > You have already found it keeps logs in it Application Support folder. What > more are you looking for? *WHY DOES IT KEEP A COPY*? >>>> Review the report (share with us if you wish) - keep a copy in 'Notes' >>>> should you want to. >>>> >>>> Then delete the EtreCheck report. >>>> >>>> When appropriate, select the box saying that you do NOT want to save a >>>> copy. Send the report to your Bin and then empty your Bin. >>>> >>>> All straight-forward! >>>> >>>> Now go to "~/Library/Application Support/EtreCheck" >>>> >>>> Does the report you said that you did not wish to keep appear there? >>>> >>>> If so ....... *WHY* is it there?!!! >>>> >>>> Please advise. >>> >>> Please stop focusing on EtreCheck. >> >> The reason I suggest this specific sequence is to highlight a matter of >> user agency and data persistence. > > It is hardly unique. I have not tested them all, but I bet other apps do much > the same. The issue here is not the app, but you digging into it in a vacuum > of understanding. You assume what you find is rare or bad but you have no clue > if it is normal or what the folder is even for. And then you make insinuations > of wrong doing. It's a learning experience. I'm making NO insinuations. <SNIP> >> If a user explicitly selects an option not to save a report, and then >> manually empties the Bin, one would logically expect that data to be >> gone. The discovery that EtreCheck may be silently archiving these >> reports in ~/Library/Application Support/EtreCheck regardless of the >> user's "do not save" preference is a technical observation worth noting. >> It isn't about whether one "trusts" the diagnostic capabilities of the >> tool, but rather how the software handles (or retains) user data behind >> the scenes. >> >> The focus is currently there because it serves as a primary example of >> how "helper" utilities interact with the macOS filesystem in ways that >> aren't always transparent to the average user. >> >> If you do eventually decide to check that directory after a run, I’d be >> interested to hear if your findings match what I’ve observed regarding >> those "unsaved" reports reappearing. > > I have told you repeatedly I will not help you do anything that aids your > harassment of him. PLEASE LEAVE HIM ALONE! Brock, I hear you loud and clear! It was never my intention to make you feel like a participant in a personal dispute. My interest has always been strictly technical — specifically, how a macOS application manages its support files and whether "delete" truly means "delete" in that context. However, I respect your boundary and I won't ask you to perform any further tests or checks regarding that specific directory. I'll leave the matter of data persistence for others to investigate (or not) as they see fit. On a different note, if you do ever hear back from the Usenapp developer about that message-loss-on-reboot issue, I'd actually be genuinely interested in the fix. That sounds like a frustrating bug for any Usenet regular. -- Kind regards, David
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