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Re: ww3

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: ww3
Date 2025-01-05 09:05 +0100
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Am Samstag000004, 04.01.2025 um 08:40 schrieb Siri Cruise:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Because Zelensky has driven them out of Donetsk and is now going to
>>> liberate Crimea with F16, Himars, Abrams, and many billions?
>>>
>>> Only the terminally stupid can believe that.
> 
> And the American colonies were laughed off the continent at the silly 
> idea of defeating the world's super power.
> 
>> The Russians have a good strategic position in that conflict and the 
>> Nato has a terrible one.
> 
> NATO has no position. It is not fighting.
> 

Well, we have actually a 'proxy war', which is seemingly financed by 
western powers and maintained by Ukrainians and Russians (plus solders 
of fortune from various countries).

Now the Russians are the dominant power in this conflict, because 
Russian military is many times stronger that the Ukrainian.

This will not change in the immediate future, if no Nato troops would 
engage into that conflict, too.

I was writing about the hypothetical possibility, that this could happen.

In THAT case Nato forces would need to reach the front line in the 
eastern  Ukraine somehow.

I meant, that Russian missiles, submarines, mines and other weapons 
could easily destroy US carriers and other ships, once they try to come 
through the Bosporous.

The only alternative to the Black Sea would be the Baltic Sea.

But that is too narrow, too shallow and in the reach of Russian missiles 
in the Kaliningrad district. It is also too far away.

This would exclude support of Nato troops by ships, what would leave 
only land and air-transport.

Flight is fast, but would be VERY dangerous, since Russia has very good 
anti-aircraft missiles, jet-fighters and other means.

This would leave only land transport and marching infantry, supported by 
tanks.

But: the Ukraine is VERY large and VERY flat.

This would make walking there really dangerous, too, because the 
landscape provides no protection at all.

The Russians have also an insane amount of tanks (and other armored 
vehicles) and are essentially a 'land-fighting-nation'.

So: there is actually no feasible way to bring Nato troops to the front, 
supposed that is wanted.

TH

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  Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-12-15 10:14 +0100
    Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2024-12-15 03:06 -0800
    Re: ww2 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-12-16 06:50 +0100
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          Re: ww3 Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-30 00:14 -0700
            Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 04:58 -0500
              Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-01 04:56 -0800
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                Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-04 07:38 +0100
                Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-03 23:40 -0800
                Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-05 09:05 +0100
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                Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-08 08:33 +0100
                Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 15:09 -0500
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                Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-09 10:01 +0000
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                Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-10 08:15 +0100
                Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-14 08:53 +0000
                Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-16 08:56 +0100
                Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-16 08:25 +0000
                Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-18 08:27 +0100
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                Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-16 08:56 +0000
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                Re: ww3 nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-01-20 14:26 +0100
                Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-21 07:46 +0100
                Re: ww3 Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-22 09:19 +0100
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