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Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity
Date	2024-10-11 09:43 +0200
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Am Dienstag000008, 08.10.2024 um 10:33 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> W dniu 08.10.2024 o 09:41, Thomas Heger pisze:
>> Am Sonntag000006, 06.10.2024 um 13:49 schrieb Richard Hachel:
>> ...
>>> In any case, the concept that I give is certain, because it alone 
>>> explains the Langevin paradox in a truly credible way (which avoids 
>>> the unjustified objections of cranks and anti-relativists).
>>>
>>> If you want a correct reasoning, you are obliged to go through the 
>>> relativistic zoom effect, and this cannot be done either without an 
>>> instantaneous interaction of light in the longitudinal direction.
>>>
>>> I repeat, there exists for each observer, each entity of the universe 
>>> a hyperplane of simultaneity. Everyone agrees on that.
>>>
>>> But for me, it is personal, relative.
>>>
>>> All the elements of a given frame have their own.
>>>
>>> Physicists do not want to hear this.
>>>
>>> They then come to imagine an abstract and false theory, with a common 
>>> and absolute present time hyperplane for the entire frame.
>>>
>>> This is obviously ridiculous and the opposite is easily demonstrable 
>>> mathematically since we have a mathematical absurdity on apparent 
>>> speeds), but not experimentally for the moment.
>>
>> I do not want to insist on my own ideas, but had the concept of local 
>> time, too.
> 
> I've told you already: feel fre to name
> your Great Mystical Youdontknowwhat with
> any word you want, just leave "time" alone,
> this one already has a meaning and it is
> important.


I was thinkering around with various concepts about relativity and 
found, that 'local time' would be best.

This wasn't based on any other influence, but was my assumption, which I 
regarded as appropriate for SRT and GR.

So, I took 'local time' for granted and didn't regard this as a big deal.

Sure, there are other ideas floating around, too.

But in 'my world' time should be a local parameter.

The opposite idea was the concept of Newton, who regarded time as 
uniform and universaly valid.

My view was therefore 'relativistic' enough (at least enough for me).

Interstingly, the time-concept of Einstein in his SRT version is not 
'relativistic', but actually 'Newtonian'.


TH

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              Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-02 19:59 +0000
              Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-10-03 09:09 +0200
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                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-03 13:05 +0000
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                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Python <python@not-formail.invalid> - 2024-10-03 12:44 +0000
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-03 13:07 +0000
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                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-05 09:54 +0000
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                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Python <python@not-formail.invalid> - 2024-10-03 12:53 +0000
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-10-05 09:52 +0200
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-05 10:14 +0000
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-10-06 09:56 +0200
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-06 11:36 +0000
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-06 11:49 +0000
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-10-08 09:41 +0200
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-08 10:33 +0200
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-10-11 09:43 +0200
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-11 13:01 +0000
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              Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-10-03 09:12 +0200
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-03 13:03 +0000
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        Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-08 12:38 +0000
      Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-10-09 12:43 +0300
        Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-09 12:28 +0000
          Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-10-10 11:01 +0300
            Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-10 12:33 +0000
              Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-10-11 12:28 +0300
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-11 11:52 +0200
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-11 12:15 +0000
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-10-12 08:40 +0200
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-10-12 12:05 +0300
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-12 13:42 +0200
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-12 11:56 +0000
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Python <python@not-formail.invalid> - 2024-10-12 12:22 +0000
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-12 15:11 +0200
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Python <python@not-formail.invalid> - 2024-10-12 13:17 +0000
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-12 15:45 +0200
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Python <python@not-formail.invalid> - 2024-10-12 13:56 +0000
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-12 16:25 +0200
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                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Python <python@not-formail.invalid> - 2024-10-13 08:36 +0000
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-13 10:54 +0200
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Python <python@not-formail.invalid> - 2024-10-13 09:17 +0000
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-13 14:16 +0200
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-10-13 09:02 +0200
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-13 12:38 +0000
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-10-14 10:12 +0200
                Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-10-13 11:59 +0300
  Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2024-10-14 19:38 +0800
    Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-14 11:55 +0000
    Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-14 15:16 +0200

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