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Re: the notion of relativity of simultaneity

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Le 05/10/2024 à 09:52, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>> 
> 
> Sure:
> 
> The observer see remote events 'live'.
> 
> But he sees remote events also delayed!
> 
> What we see in the night sky is NOT happening now, but earlier than now.
> 
> We see events now, which happenend the longer ago the further  away.
> 
> It is therefore patently irrelevant, what the observer sees, because 
> these impressions are pictures, we receive from the past.
> 
> The 'real thing' is supposed to exist, but remains invisible for a long 
> time.
> 
> This 'real thing' is invisible, but real, while our impressions are 
> visible, but not real.
> 
> We would need to correct this error 'by hand', because we cannot see, 
> what is happening now.
> 
> Such a correction isn't that difficult, since we only need to take the 
> delay into consideration.
> 
> A certain shell around the observer represents a certain set of points, 
> from where we receive simultaneous signals at the same time.
> 
> For other shells further away or closer to us, we need to add or 
> subtract the delay relative to that shell mentioned above.
> 
> If we reduce that shell to zero radius, we would need to measure only delay.
> 
> This delay should be used to compensate the time needed for signals to 
> travel from remote events to the observers.
> 
> What is happening now, that will be seen with such a delay later.
> 
> Therefore, the (hyperplane of the) present is real, but cannot be seen,
> 
> It is constructed by assuming a hypothetical signal, which needs no time 
> to travel, hence is here once emitted.
> 
> 
> This does not exist, but that doesn't matter for a definition.
> 
> 
> TH
> 
> ..
> 
>>>

It is a pity that you do not understand, or do not want to understand the 
theory of relativity Hachel version, yet much simpler, logical, and 
without paradox (the Langevin paradox, the Andromeda paradox, and the 
Erheinfest paradox do not exist in Hachel).
You still do not understand the notion of relativity of simultaneity and 
it is a great pity.
We observe the universe live, as paradoxical as it may seem, and the 
belief in a light that takes years to reach us is only due to a 
misunderstanding of spatiotemporal geometry.

It is the child who is right about the big relativist bigwig.

A child who sees a star (let's say Sirius) does not ask himself the 
question of whether what he sees is real or not, or whether Sirius has not 
existed for years...

And it is the child who is right, everything is given live (in a vacuum).

The huge blunder of the physicists is intellectual, and not experimental.
They will lay a wire coupled to a source A and another, coupled to a 
source B.

Then they will launch an electromagnetic signal from A to B.

They do not notice that they are neither in A nor in B, but placed 
transversely to the flow of information. This is what I have been 
explaining for 40 years, and for 40 years, it would seem that relativistic 
religiosity is so fierce that no one WANTS to understand, while it is at 
the intellectual level of a middle school student.

Transversely, in my hyperplane of present, of simultaneity, I will notice 
that t=AB/c and I will decree that the speed of light is v=c.

However, I should rather write Vo=c (because it is only what I observe 
from my transverse position, and NEVER longitudinal).

Physicists do not realize that the light of Sirius is instantaneous, that 
Sirius IS in my present moment, and that we are FOR ME, in perfect 
simultaneity of existence.

This horse in this meadow, this moon in this sky, this galaxy in this 
telescope are observed live.

The error consists in putting oneself in a transverse position (where I am 
not!!!) and saying, I see the light of Sirius moving from Sirius towards 
the earth at speed c. This would be true, but this observer is not ME.

For me, it is a false and abstract idea linked to a lack of knowledge of 
the theory of relativity as it should have been taught for 120 years, and 
which has been going around in circles for 120 years, full of paradox, 
because we form an abstract image of the real nature of electromagnetic 
interactions which are FOR the receiver instantaneous, and which for the 
distant transverse observer, take the form of a wave of present which 
moves at c.

Do you understand?

It is very important to understand.

Anyone who does not understand this basis will go around in circles for 
another 120 years...

R.H.

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