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| Subject | Re: energy and mass |
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
| Date | 2026-03-08 20:04 -0700 |
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On 03/08/2026 06:52 PM, Bill Sloman wrote: > On 9/03/2026 2:29 am, Ross Finlayson wrote: >> On 03/08/2026 07:44 AM, Bill Sloman wrote: >>> On 8/03/2026 2:19 pm, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>> On 03/07/2026 04:33 PM, Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>> On 8/03/2026 1:59 am, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>> On 03/06/2026 10:12 PM, Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>>>> On 7/03/2026 2:47 am, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>>>> On 03/06/2026 05:36 AM, Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 6/03/2026 7:37 pm, Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Am Dienstag000003, 03.03.2026 um 13:40 schrieb Bill Sloman: >>>>>>>>>>> On 3/03/2026 8:06 pm, Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Am Sonntag000001, 01.03.2026 um 11:03 schrieb Bill Sloman: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/2026 8:26 pm, Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag000028, 28.02.2026 um 14:17 schrieb Bill Sloman: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/02/2026 8:03 pm, Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag000026, 26.02.2026 um 15:05 schrieb Ross >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finlayson: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/26/2026 02:21 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/02/2026 9:46 pm, J. J. Lodder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/02/2026 4:02 am, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/24/2026 03:40 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/23/2026 12:49 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What, you thought Boltzmann constant was a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purely physical constant? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_constant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As of the latest revision of the SI, Boltzmann's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is just another conversion factor between units. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no longer any physical content to it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Boltzmann constant is provided to you in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another table tells me that there are 5280 feet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mile, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boltzmann constant is in the little leaflet in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every book on thermodynamics. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Often it's the only "physical constant" given. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The SI units are much separated from the relevant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> empirical domains these days. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, "defining" the second as about the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cesium atom its hyperfine transition, and "defining" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the meter as that according to the "defined" speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of light, results all that's defined not derived, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the System Internationale units that we all know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and love simply don't say much about the objective >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality of the quantities. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing that you have the wit to understand? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The are a lot of steps between the optical spectrum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cloud of cesium >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atoms and the frequency of an oscillator running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slowly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough for you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be able to count transitions, but there is no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> objective reality of every last one of them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eh, the basis for the SI is the defined value >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a -microwave- frequency of the Cesium atom. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From an engineering point of view a Cesium clock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is nothing but a stabilised quartz clock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That "nothing but" ignores the fact that the output >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cesium clock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has a much more stable frequency than the outputs of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regular >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quartz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clocks. That's why people pay more money for them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, it is a stibilised quartz clock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought you were proud of being an engineer, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I adapted the description. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Optical frequency standards do exist, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such as Strontium lattice 'clocks' for example, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but so far they are frequecy standards only, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not yet clocks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_lattice_clock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like I said, they are called 'clocks' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but for the time being they are only frequency standards. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (precisely because they cannot be used yet to stabilise a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quartz clock) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The process of turning a frequency standard into a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clock is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complicated but the devices are already sold as clocks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From an engineering point of view that is just being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> count. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time is a universal parameter of most theories of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mechanics, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the useful ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But time must be a LOCAL parameter ONLY! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is total bunk to assume, that an 'external' clock would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist, which synchronizes everything in the universe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clocks don't exist to synchronise anything. They can be part >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> local system which synchronises some local action to an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which has been observed from that location. Granting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bulk of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the universe is expanding away from any given point at a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is increase with time and distance time dilation alone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes the idea of perfect synchronicity untenable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If nothing synchronizes remote systems, then how could we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rightfully assume, that remote systems share the same time? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a very convenient assumption.The big bang theory has the >>>>>>>>>>>>> universe starting to expand from a very small point some 13.8 >>>>>>>>>>>>> billion years ago, and what we can see of the observable >>>>>>>>>>>>> universe >>>>>>>>>>>>> is consistent with that. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, it's convenient. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But is it actually true??? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We don't seem to need a different explanation at this point. >>>>>>>>>>> If eventually make some observations that are inconsistent with >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> theory, we'll start looking for a better one, but the big gbang >>>>>>>>>>> theory seems to be true enough for all current practical >>>>>>>>>>> purposes >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nature does not care about what we need. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nature is as nature is, whether we like it or not. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Big bang theory suffers from a 'little' problem: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> how would you actually create a universe from nothing? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Nobody said anything about creating it from nothing. The point >>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>> the theory is that it starts off with a large lump of >>>>>>>>>>> undifferentiated mass- energy that doesn't have any structure >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> links it back to a preceding structure. The early stages of its >>>>>>>>>>> development seem to have been pretty well randomised, and if the >>>>>>>>>>> mechanism that created initial the lump of mass energy was >>>>>>>>>>> merely >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> collapse of a previously existing universe we'd end up with >>>>>>>>>>> essential;ly the same theory. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My own approach was, that time is local and space is 'relative'. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To get such a behavior I have searched for something, which would >>>>>>>>>> allow such behavior. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is actually possible, if you think about a certain type of >>>>>>>>>> complex numbers and a connection between them, which is also >>>>>>>>>> known as >>>>>>>>>> certain type of geometric algebra. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, we need a system, which allows an imaginary time 'axis' at >>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>> point and a realm perpendicular, which we could call time-like. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The result of my search was a system called 'cliiford algebra >>>>>>>>>> Cl_3' >>>>>>>>>> and something called 'complex four vectors' (aka >>>>>>>>>> 'bi-quaternions'). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now we have a point, to which a certain axis of time belongs, >>>>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>>>> the observer is located. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The observer chooses, of cause, the axis of time, in respect to >>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>> he himself is stable and a material body. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Then we have a perpendicular 'hyper-sheet of the present' and in >>>>>>>>>> between the past light cone. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The past light cone is what the observer could see, especially >>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>> night sky. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The interesting part is, that we can 'rotate' the axis of time >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> declare stability to an axis of time perpendicular or in opposite >>>>>>>>>> direction to the previous one. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now we can assume, that both are possible and that both >>>>>>>>>> coexist at >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> same place, while unrecognized. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The 'other timelines' define also matter and also a real >>>>>>>>>> universe, >>>>>>>>>> which is entirely hidden from sight by the observer mentioned >>>>>>>>>> above. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It is invisible, but real. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Far better is actually my own approach, which goes like this: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I take the 'big bang' as case of a 'white hole'. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (That is 'the other side' of a 'black hole'.) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This 'white hole' spreads out and creates, what we call >>>>>>>>>>>> 'universe' >>>>>>>>>>>> in which we as human beings live on planet Earth. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But 'universe' isn't universal at all and the timeline from big >>>>>>>>>>>> bang >>>>>>>>>>>> to us isn't the only timeline possible. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But since we can't observe any of these other universes it is a >>>>>>>>>>> complete waste of time to speculate about their possible >>>>>>>>>>> existence. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Our past is just one of an infinite number of possible >>>>>>>>>>>> timelines, >>>>>>>>>>>> which all connect a big bang with something much later. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But you need to find a mechanism that lets you explore these >>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>> timelines before anybody is going to take you seriously. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Invisible realms cannot be explored. It it also difficult to >>>>>>>>>> enter >>>>>>>>>> such realms, because we are bound to our own 'axis of stability'. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It would be extremely dangerous to leave a certain realm, in >>>>>>>>>> which we >>>>>>>>>> share the same axis of time with the environment. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If an invisible realm cannot be explored, which implies that it's >>>>>>>>> inhabitants can't explore ours, there's not a lot of point in >>>>>>>>> speculating about it's potential existence. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is more like a HUGE clock with one hand only, that circles >>>>>>>>>>>> once >>>>>>>>>>>> every ten billion years or so. This 'hand' moves slowly >>>>>>>>>>>> forewards >>>>>>>>>>>> and creates new universes every time it moves. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you want to imagine something like that, feel free, but don't >>>>>>>>>>> expect anybody else to be interested. You won't get any research >>>>>>>>>>> grants to support any work you might want to put in to make the >>>>>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>>>>> sound less half-witted. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, I personally think, that this idea of mine is already known >>>>>>>>>> since ages, but hidden from the public, because it would allow >>>>>>>>>> several >>>>>>>>>> things, out of which huge profits could be generated. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Like every other goofy sucker for conspiracy theories. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (like e.g. transmutation or time-travel) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But possibly this isn't known. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Almost certainly, there isn't anything there to know, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Would be better, but actually I don't know. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anyhow, in case you are interested, here is my 'book' about this >>>>>>>>>> concept: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's now 16 years old and today I would write something >>>>>>>>>> different. >>>>>>>>>> But >>>>>>>>>> it's quite ok, anyhow. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your idea of what might be ok isn't one that many sane people >>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> share. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now new universes need new stars and those new planet. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> They might, if they existed. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This causes what also regard as true: Growing Earth. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The earth doesn't seem to be growing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Earth seemingly grows! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is another story, where the stories told to the public >>>>>>>>>> apparently >>>>>>>>>> differ from reality. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To understand 'Growing Earth' is quite difficult, because the few >>>>>>>>>> books about this theory were systematically removed from public >>>>>>>>>> eyes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It also conflicts with the concept of the conservation of >>>>>>>>> mass-energy, >>>>>>>>> which underpins modern physics, and modern physics works >>>>>>>>> remarkably >>>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But one book from Ott-Christoph Hilgenberg called 'Vom wachsenden >>>>>>>>>> Erdball' is still available online (for free!), but is only >>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>> in German. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There's a pretty much infinite stock of total nonsense >>>>>>>>> available in >>>>>>>>> print. I have no intention of digging out any of it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There was this one fellow on sci.physics, a regular, years ago, >>>>>>>> who had a similar sort of idea: to basically reflect that >>>>>>>> after the Big Bang hypothesis made for Inflationary Cosmology >>>>>>>> and Expanding Universe, to basically make "Growing Earth" >>>>>>>> as "Balanced Bang", in this sense, the _idea_ itself is >>>>>>>> not really different from other notions of "severe abstractions" >>>>>>>> of "complementary duals", like for example Lagrange's "severe >>>>>>>> abstraction" about energy and Lagrange's "complementary dual" >>>>>>>> about potentials. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I.e., as an idea, it's a thing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So are the protocols the elders of zion. It doesn't necessarily make >>>>>>> them a thing that anybody sane would take seriously. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> These days, since 2MASS made for an account of that redshift bias >>>>>>>> exists, and, then that JWST has roundly paintcanned ye olde >>>>>>>> "Expanding Universe", i.e. the entire idea that the data after >>>>>>>> Lemaitre and Hubble gave is right out the window, then figuring >>>>>>>> out _why_ and _how_ this can be explained, sort of has an inverse >>>>>>>> to model or "complementary dual", as to why the idea itself of >>>>>>>> something like "Growing Earth" isn't more odd than "Big Bang". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Webb_Space_Telescope >>>>>>> >>>>>>> doesn't list this as one of it observational triumphs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2MASS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Two Micron All Sky Survey (2MASS) similary doesn't seem to be >>>>>>> famous >>>>>>> for dethroning any theory at all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There will always be twits who will misinterpret new results as >>>>>>> supporting their daft delusions. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hm. The 2MASS experiment was sort of in the time when it was >>>>>> discovered that what much of astronomy had pointed at as the >>>>>> "beginning", according to Doppler redshift, that it was actually >>>>>> as of "LaniaKea", our local supercluster. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laniakea_Supercluster >>>>>> >>>>>> So, since the time of Lemaitre and Hubble (Big Bang theory), >>>>>> it's agreeable that the available measurements saw a preponderance >>>>>> of Doppler redshift in the sky. Yet, later, larger, and various >>>>>> observatories, arrived at various things, including besides >>>>>> that CMBR observed the universe is flat, then after taking >>>>>> LaniaKea's jet into account, and besides, that instead of >>>>>> 99% redshift, the sky survey looks more like 51% redshift. >>>>> >>>>> You may think that this is orthodoxy, but none of it seems to have >>>>> made >>>>> it down to the New Scientist level of popular science. >>>>> >>>>>> These days that's considered with ideas like "redshift bias" >>>>>> and "redshift distortion", about more effects involved that >>>>>> lead to ideas like "tired light", about "redshift bias removal", >>>>>> since otherwise according to the energy budget of the observable >>>>>> universe, it's seven-sigmas or 99% "Dark Energy". >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure that there's a lot of nut-case pseudoscience that plays with >>>>> these opinions, but again none of it seems to have made it down to the >>>>> New Scientist level of popular science. >>>>> >>>>>> So, various experiments with regards to various models point >>>>>> to that "Expanding Universe", which makes for ideas like >>>>>> "Growing Earth" to keep things balanced, instead have ideas >>>>>> like "tired light", "Dark Energy", and here "redshift bias removal". >>>>> >>>>> The "growing earth" hypothesis strikes me a decidedly unbalanced, >>>>> to the >>>>> point of certifiable lunacy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Otherwise there's sort of a non-explanation as to why the premier >>>>>> theories of the cosmological models in the macroscale, or their >>>>>> reflection on energy budgets in the microscale, are falsified. >>>>> >>>>> Only in the minds of people who have an interest in seeing them as >>>>> falsified. >>>>> >>>>>> The CMBR as about establishing the universe was flat, >>>>> >>>>> It's almost flat, which is to say that it is only slightly curved. >>>>> >>>>> <snipped more incoherent ramblings> >>>>> >>>>>> So, ..., "not wrong". >>>>> >>>>> But nowhere near right, and nowhere near enough to right to be worth >>>>> discussing. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not saying Growing Earth is not wrong, >>>> I'm saying Dark Matter / Dark Energy is already wrong. >>> >>> Dark Matter and Dark Energy are hypotheses, and haven't actually been >>> falsified. They don't seem to have been proved wrong. >>> >>>> It rather _is_ de rigeur for many actual _physicists_, >>>> mostly as would require being _theoretical physicsts_. >>> >>> Nothing is de rigeur for working scientists, but if you want to ignore a >>> popular hypothesis that hasn't been falsifed you need to find a better >>> one to put in it's place. >>> >>>> What I say is so. >>> >>> But who care what you say? >>> >> >> >> The Dark Matter / Dark Energy their posited existence is since >> otherwise the usual premier theories are violated. >> >> Now, these theories already have gravity always doing >> work for free, which is a constant violation of >> conservation of energy, the energy budget of the universe. > > Gravity applies a force. That isn't doing work. The earth orbits the sun > without doing much work at all. The consequent tidal forces inside the > sun sap kinetic energy from the earth's orbital movement, in the same > way that tides on earth are causing the moons orbit to change. > > We can see that happening if we look very closely. > > https://www.hummingbirdpc.com.au/as-it-slowly-drifts-away-from-earth-the-moon-is-changing-the-length-of-our-days-and-our-tides/ > > >> Dark Matter and Dark Energy are un-observable by definition, >> this un-falsifiable, thus not science, while the otherwise >> premier theory has been falsified. > > People have been looking for Dark Matter particles for decades now. > They seem to have a different definition from yours. > > Dark energy was proposed as an explanation for the expansion of the > universe, as observed by Hubble. It has been argued that Hubble > misinterpreted what he saw, but few accept that argument. > >> "... as would require being theoretical _physicists_." >> >> >> I don't even care what I say: only what's said. > > So you aren't all that careful about what you say. > Everybody knows that applying force over distance is work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_(physics) The idea that "curved space-time in relativity theory" does that for free is fallacious. Then, quantum mechanics also has no usual "quantum gravity". Newton: pull (gravitic) Fatio/LeSage: push (gravific) Einstein: follow (Newton's) Finlayson: fall (Fatio/LeSage's) To be bending space-time all around, or the usual idea of the "rubber sheet" analogy of gravity, and that gravity's cause is "down", or as per Einstein, "straight down", has that that's giving an explanation to a non-explanation. If it curves space-time then it must involve what curves space-time, which otherwise would be doing work for free. Then, how it can be that quantum gravity gets defined, that gravity is the gravific and furthermore is as of an overall balance and resolving the potentials of the total field instead of anywhere locally being a constant violation of the energy budget and the most usual principles of conservation of energy and least action, it's a fall gravity explained by and explaining the nuclear force. This way this unification of sorts also helps explain both the (strong) nuclear force and gravity, together. Another example of the constant violation of the energy budget is electron orbitals with regards to otherwise classical orbits would always be decaying. I very much care what I say, for that what I say is so. The academic authority is one hopes hard-earned and hard-learned, more than merely a convenience of assignation of blame and direction of guidance. I only care what the words say, and science cares about _all_ the data. -- Trumpistan delenda est.
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Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-10 09:13 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 09:21 -0700
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-10 20:04 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-10 12:51 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 12:55 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 15:00 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 14:53 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-11 10:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-11 07:54 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-11 18:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-11 20:19 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 17:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-12 07:59 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 16:41 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-13 08:10 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 16:53 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 11:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-12 10:18 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 21:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 16:48 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-13 08:18 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:03 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 17:34 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 11:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 02:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 21:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 16:55 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-13 07:56 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 01:47 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-13 20:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:13 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 07:50 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 01:18 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 20:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 15:40 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 08:13 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 20:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 10:33 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 23:36 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 14:50 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 09:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 02:24 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 09:55 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 02:02 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-15 10:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 20:52 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 20:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 08:12 -0700
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-11 08:24 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 17:43 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 09:49 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 02:33 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 10:00 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 08:40 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 09:16 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 04:20 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 10:37 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 15:32 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 23:23 -0700
Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-11 13:15 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 08:27 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 10:05 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 10:12 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 10:20 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 10:30 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-11 19:37 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 15:49 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 06:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 18:09 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 09:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 21:22 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 13:14 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 02:57 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 23:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 16:34 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 14:16 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 14:31 +0100
Re: energy and mass Isais Kitamura <riiisia@imi.jp> - 2026-03-12 16:37 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 07:17 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 07:33 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 07:52 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 11:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 10:05 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 02:46 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 08:57 -0700
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 10:09 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 03:01 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-10 21:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 19:18 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 15:42 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-11 11:20 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-11 09:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-03-11 10:54 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 00:07 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-12 10:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 10:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 22:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 12:42 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 03:14 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 10:10 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-13 10:54 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 02:57 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 09:04 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-13 20:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 07:52 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 02:10 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 20:44 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 15:46 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 09:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 20:56 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 01:03 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 02:30 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-15 09:38 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 06:19 -0700
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 10:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 11:20 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 09:24 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 21:52 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 14:16 +0100
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-12 15:52 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 07:55 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 08:04 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 17:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-13 11:05 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 08:28 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 08:31 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 09:07 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 09:08 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:58 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 01:12 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 01:17 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 01:05 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 02:43 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 09:10 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 09:25 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 09:32 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 04:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 17:00 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 06:22 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 01:04 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 02:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:34 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 07:54 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 02:57 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 21:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 15:49 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 08:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 21:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 11:18 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 13:58 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 07:56 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 21:04 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 11:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 05:30 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 01:21 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 15:47 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 17:11 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 08:07 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:17 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:07 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 05:22 -0700
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-14 12:00 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 08:24 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 08:26 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:10 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 09:19 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-14 21:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 16:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 21:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 10:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 03:17 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 10:15 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:18 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-15 21:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 23:04 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 14:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 07:50 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 21:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 11:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 01:35 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 15:55 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 17:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 08:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:26 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 13:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 02:36 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 17:18 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 05:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 20:28 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 17:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 16:24 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 16:49 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 17:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 08:17 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:47 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 14:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:06 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 17:34 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 06:26 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 20:36 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 15:12 +1100
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-17 17:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:08 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:13 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:00 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:20 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 22:24 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 17:32 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 10:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-13 22:05 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 00:06 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 11:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass Larry Gulyás <ylcl@alyl.hu> - 2026-03-12 12:36 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 09:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-13 15:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 09:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 21:06 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-17 08:42 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 23:34 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-14 21:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Adiel Ungaretti <tdlla@rdrlnng.it> - 2026-03-14 21:31 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-17 08:52 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 00:13 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:09 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:35 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:24 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 14:33 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 15:25 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 03:34 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 10:18 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 02:58 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:41 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-01 13:13 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 06:51 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 07:06 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 17:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-28 10:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 00:17 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 21:03 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-03 10:06 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-03 23:40 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-03 13:47 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-04 16:25 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-04 02:52 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-07 23:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-06 09:37 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-07 00:36 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 07:47 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-07 17:12 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 06:59 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-08 11:33 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 19:19 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 01:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 08:29 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 12:52 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 20:04 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 20:17 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 00:09 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 07:36 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 09:09 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 14:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 14:17 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-10 21:21 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-10 23:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 16:14 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-11 08:13 +0100
Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-11 13:50 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-11 14:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 00:24 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-11 16:10 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 16:07 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 07:11 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 18:26 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 09:56 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 22:22 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 12:56 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 03:36 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 23:20 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 14:16 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 03:45 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ronnie Pantelakos <ina@snl.gr> - 2026-03-12 17:38 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-12 22:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass Tathan Nagahama <gagngt@mmatata.jp> - 2026-03-12 22:11 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-13 01:47 +0100
Re: energy and mass Cristobal Umehara <be@iu.jp> - 2026-03-13 16:50 +0000
Re: energy and mass Jairo Pantelakos <soaonjo@iai.gr> - 2026-03-14 13:21 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-14 16:18 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 20:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 16:59 -0700
GPS (was: energy and mass) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-14 16:23 +0100
Re: GPS (was: energy and mass) Brock Nakamura <cruan@bknkkror.jp> - 2026-03-14 15:39 +0000
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-14 18:31 +0100
Re: energy and mass Virgil Dömötör <rr@egi.hu> - 2026-03-14 17:43 +0000
Re: GPS (was: energy and mass) Kyndal Zsoldos <odondo@ndzsda.hu> - 2026-03-14 15:52 +0000
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-14 18:37 +0100
Re: GPS Mikey Santiago <ime@ymsn.pt> - 2026-03-14 19:49 +0000
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-15 15:29 +0100
Re: GPS Frauly Christakos <acrahr@afrafs.gr> - 2026-03-15 14:37 +0000
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-15 19:17 +0100
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-15 19:22 +0100
Re: energy and mass Enmanuel Jacques <cucus@mulneam.fr> - 2026-03-15 20:00 +0000
GPS (was: energy and mass) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-15 22:40 +0100
Re: GPS Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 23:06 +0100
Re: GPS (was: energy and mass) Nestor Rooijakkers <skk@ereno.nl> - 2026-03-16 14:15 +0000
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-16 15:37 +0100
Re: GPS Bernie Gonzalez <inzbi@rol.es> - 2026-03-16 17:13 +0000
Re: energy and mass athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-16 11:27 +0000
Re: energy and mass Shay Hofwegen <gwg@eewyow.nl> - 2026-03-16 17:25 +0000
Re: GPS Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 08:08 -0700
Re: GPS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-16 10:16 +0100
Re: GPS Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 05:26 -0700
Re: GPS Leopold Bicchieri <deo@rehi.it> - 2026-03-16 14:26 +0000
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-14 18:16 +0100
Re: GPS Lowen Missiakos <osmi@wlss.gr> - 2026-03-14 17:49 +0000
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-14 19:44 +0100
Re: GPS Ridge Górski <kgie@gigg.pl> - 2026-03-14 19:39 +0000
Re: GPS Krinden Hoffmann <efne@roeaa.de> - 2026-03-15 14:44 +0000
GPS (was: energy and mass) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-16 01:20 +0100
GPS (was: energy and mass) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-16 01:22 +0100
Re: GPS (was: energy and mass) Jovanni Rodrigues <iav@ignj.pt> - 2026-03-16 14:00 +0000
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-16 15:26 +0100
Re: GPS Webster Schuchardt <tcbr@tteue.de> - 2026-03-16 14:33 +0000
Re: GPS Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 07:54 -0700
Re: GPS Hever Ramires <ihme@aermr.pt> - 2026-03-16 17:09 +0000
Re: GPS Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:08 -0700
Re: GPS Kile Karolina <oeelka@aili.net> - 2026-03-17 18:05 +0000
Re: GPS Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 14:44 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 21:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Donel Profeta <aadeafe@nefe.it> - 2026-03-15 15:17 +0000
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-11 18:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-11 11:20 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-12 10:35 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 22:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 10:24 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 03:42 +1100
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-15 21:42 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 21:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-16 08:55 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 18:06 +1100
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-17 01:14 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 00:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-17 10:34 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 15:49 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 15:56 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-11 11:20 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 10:59 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 11:41 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 13:18 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 23:59 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 07:32 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-09 21:49 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 15:24 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 15:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 22:07 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 16:58 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 23:26 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 09:25 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 04:33 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 10:45 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 16:26 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-11 08:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 00:34 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-11 16:10 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 16:16 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 07:13 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 18:39 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 09:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 10:17 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 22:42 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 13:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 03:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 23:23 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 07:05 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 22:31 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 08:38 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 08:55 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 00:28 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-10 21:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 03:36 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 10:13 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 16:51 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-10 21:21 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 14:51 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-10 21:21 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 17:02 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-11 11:20 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 01:00 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-11 18:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 12:48 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 16:33 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 11:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 04:09 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 21:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 17:36 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-13 22:05 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 14:55 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 21:29 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:49 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-15 21:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-15 14:18 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 17:24 -0700
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-15 18:10 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 14:49 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 05:14 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 01:52 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 08:04 -0700
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-16 08:32 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 18:24 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 10:49 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 00:43 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 15:35 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:33 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 17:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 06:36 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 20:41 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 07:48 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:58 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 14:47 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-17 21:21 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 15:56 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 14:41 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 20:14 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 16:16 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 06:58 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 08:13 -0700
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-15 17:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 09:39 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 09:55 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 15:16 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 05:21 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 02:10 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 10:56 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:29 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 18:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 07:57 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 04:25 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 18:35 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 15:01 +1100
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