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Re: Theatheory: super-theory and natural science

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Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
> Am Montag000013, 13.04.2026 um 17:38 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>
> >> Am Sonntag000012, 12.04.2026 um 19:29 schrieb The Starmaker:
> >>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Am Samstag000011, 11.04.2026 um 19:52 schrieb Maciej Woźniak:
> >>>>> On 4/11/2026 3:33 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> >>>>>> On 04/11/2026 05:23 AM, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 4/11/2026 8:37 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 04/10/2026 10:41 PM, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Natural and science make an oxymoron, sorry.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Science is "natural" like numbers are "natural",
> >>>>>>>> since for "first principles" and "final cause"
> >>>>>>>> that according to "science" that those are "science",
> >>>>>>>> and here, "logic".
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Your arm waving won't help, natural and
> >>>>>>> science make an oxymoron.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If it's not natural, then it's synthetic.
> >>>>>> The only reason people think science is synthetic
> >>>>>> is because they were told some vague reasoning
> >>>>>> about paradoxes and the limitations of sense,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why don't monkeys have any science?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> They have, but not yet have invented the printing press.
> >>>>
> >>>> TH
> >>>
> >>> Well, how did the monkies come up with the Complete Works of Shakespeare
> >>> then?
> >>
> >> Monkeys cannot speak very well.
> >>
> >> But some gorillas have learned to 'speak' with hand signs.
> >>
> >> But that is difficult to print, anyhow.
> >>
> >> Possibly you could teach a gorilla to use a printing press, but I have
> >> doubts about their possibility to write, if the gorilla cannot speak.
> >>
> >> But maybe a system based on pictograms could be a way to allow the apes
> >> to express their emotions, transfer that to some printable form and
> >> subsequently squeeze it on paper.
> >>
> >> TH
> >>
> >> ...
> >
> > You obvisoluly never heard of...
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem
> >
> >
> > look at the picture of a monkey who cannot speak but can type...
> 
> Actually I did and heard about the 'infinite monkey theorem' before.
> 
> But that idea is based upon randomness, while speaking means actually
> the opposite.
> 
> Most humans think, that apes could not produce non-random expressions.
> 
> But that ain't the case.
> 
> In fact monkeys are quite clever beasts and can produce very
> sophisticated things with their minds.
> 
> What they can't do, however, that is actually speaking, because they
> don't have the organs to produce these specific sounds we use in language.
> 
> But monkeys can actually 'speak' by other means, like with hand signs or
> by pointing at signs on a computer screen.
> 
> TH


monkey see

monkey do.


It's that simple.



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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