Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy,sci.math,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Theatheory: super-theory and natural science Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2026 01:29:11 -0700 Organization: The Starmaker Organization Lines: 97 Message-ID: <69E340D7.300@ix.netcom.com> References: <3tydnbyf6NPPL0v0nZ2dnZfqn_Rg4p2d@giganews.com> <5C6dnfU7NNDoAET0nZ2dnZfqnPhj4p2d@giganews.com> <8cOcnYz-B4VUPUT0nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> <18a537043a4b37c4$20074$286941$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <18a54cf289c2cf37$339952$286941$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <18a55ee51379d354$115389$284045$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <69DBD65E.23F8@ix.netcom.com> <69DD0DE5.1630@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2026 08:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7262e40459de5f0222bb0c1b2d47d8d7"; logging-data="3242830"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Odc0XyhIixG1auErVPUzvmrRbAWoXCJk=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:Dy9tpizJugcMO0ZVXNZ6Nk5ukJ8= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 260418-0, 04/17/2026), Outbound message Xref: csiph.com comp.ai.philosophy:34227 sci.math:644694 sci.physics.relativity:670788 Thomas Heger wrote: > > Am Montag000013, 13.04.2026 um 17:38 schrieb The Starmaker: > > Thomas Heger wrote: > >> > >> Am Sonntag000012, 12.04.2026 um 19:29 schrieb The Starmaker: > >>> Thomas Heger wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Am Samstag000011, 11.04.2026 um 19:52 schrieb Maciej Woźniak: > >>>>> On 4/11/2026 3:33 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > >>>>>> On 04/11/2026 05:23 AM, Maciej Woźniak wrote: > >>>>>>> On 4/11/2026 8:37 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > >>>>>>>> On 04/10/2026 10:41 PM, Maciej Woźniak wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Natural and science make an oxymoron, sorry. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Science is "natural" like numbers are "natural", > >>>>>>>> since for "first principles" and "final cause" > >>>>>>>> that according to "science" that those are "science", > >>>>>>>> and here, "logic". > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Your arm waving won't help, natural and > >>>>>>> science make an oxymoron. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If it's not natural, then it's synthetic. > >>>>>> The only reason people think science is synthetic > >>>>>> is because they were told some vague reasoning > >>>>>> about paradoxes and the limitations of sense, > >>>>> > >>>>> Why don't monkeys have any science? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> They have, but not yet have invented the printing press. > >>>> > >>>> TH > >>> > >>> Well, how did the monkies come up with the Complete Works of Shakespeare > >>> then? > >> > >> Monkeys cannot speak very well. > >> > >> But some gorillas have learned to 'speak' with hand signs. > >> > >> But that is difficult to print, anyhow. > >> > >> Possibly you could teach a gorilla to use a printing press, but I have > >> doubts about their possibility to write, if the gorilla cannot speak. > >> > >> But maybe a system based on pictograms could be a way to allow the apes > >> to express their emotions, transfer that to some printable form and > >> subsequently squeeze it on paper. > >> > >> TH > >> > >> ... > > > > You obvisoluly never heard of... > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem > > > > > > look at the picture of a monkey who cannot speak but can type... > > Actually I did and heard about the 'infinite monkey theorem' before. > > But that idea is based upon randomness, while speaking means actually > the opposite. > > Most humans think, that apes could not produce non-random expressions. > > But that ain't the case. > > In fact monkeys are quite clever beasts and can produce very > sophisticated things with their minds. > > What they can't do, however, that is actually speaking, because they > don't have the organs to produce these specific sounds we use in language. > > But monkeys can actually 'speak' by other means, like with hand signs or > by pointing at signs on a computer screen. > > TH monkey see monkey do. It's that simple. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.