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Re: Relativistic synchronisation method

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Subject Re: Relativistic synchronisation method
Date Mon, 23 Dec 2024 11:32:34 -0800
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Ross Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On 12/22/2024 12:21 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
> >>
> >> Den 22.12.2024 14:35, skrev Richard Hachel:
> >>> Le 22/12/2024 à 14:00, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
> >>>>
> >>>> I want you to answer my simple questions in a way I can understand.
> >>>>
> >>>> I will reformulate my question so you will only have to
> >>>> answer "YES" or "NO".
> >>>>
> >>>> Here we go:
> >>>>
> >>>> Richard, do you own a watch of some kind?
> >>>> Â  'yes' or 'no', please!
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you use the internet to set your watch?
> >>>> (or is your watch a computer on the net?)
> >>>> Â  'yes' or 'no', please!
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you use a mobile network to set your watch?
> >>>> (or is your watch a mobile phone?)
> >>>> Â  'yes' or 'no', please!
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you use GPS to set your watch?
> >>>> (or is your watch a GPS-receiver?)
> >>>> Â  'yes' or 'no', please!
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you use public radio or TV to set your  watch?
> >>>> (or is your watch on a radio receiver or a TV?)
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you expect your watch to show the same as the clock on
> >>>> the wall of a railway station or an airport (within a minute or so)?
> >>>> Â  'yes' or 'no', please
> >>>
> >>> Everything you say is true.
> >>>
> >>> So I can answer "yes, absolutely" to all your questions.
> >>
> >> OK. Thanks for a clear answer.
> >>
> >> You expect your watch to be synchronous with the clock on the wall
> >> of a railway station or an airport an airport within a minute or so.
> >>
> >> That is because you know that just about all clocks in France
> >> are synchronous and show UTC+1 hour.
> >> So do the clocks in most western European countries,
> >> Your clock and my clock are synchronous with UTC+1h.
> >> (My clock within 1 second)
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The problem is that you do not understand what you are doing, and what a
> >>> synchronization process consists of in our universe.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> When you synchronize all the users' watches, you synchronize them on a
> >>> single watch, which is the system watch and which is located in a given
> >>> place (the position of the watch is as crucial as its relative speed in
> >>> the cosmos).
> >>
> >> Quite.
> >> The single clock is the USNO Master Clock.
> >> Its position in cosmos is Washington, D.C., USA
> >>
> >>    https://www.cnmoc.usff.navy.mil/Our-Commands/United-States-Naval-Observatory/Precise-Time-Department/The-USNO-Master-Clock/
> >>
> >>> This watch is an "abstract", virtual watch, which synchronizes all the
> >>> watches on it, and on IT ALONE, to give coherence to the whole.
> >>
> >> It is a very real clock, consisting of several atomic clocks.
> >>
> >> Richard, I am in the real world.
> >>
> >> I synchronise my clock to the master clock with this:
> >>
> >> https://time.is/clock
> >>
> >> It uses the internet. The delay both ways in the net is measured
> >> and corrected for, so the displayed  time will be correct
> >> within a second.
> >>
> >> You answered yes to these questions:
> >> Do you use the internet to set your watch?
> >> Do you expect your watch to show the same as the clock on
> >> the wall of a railway station or an airport (within a minute or so)?
> >>
> >> So you synchronise your clock to UTC+1h in the same way as I do, and you
> >> expect your clock to be synchronous with UTC+1h within a minute or so.
> >> (I expect it to be synchronous within a second.)
> >>
> >> So don't tell me that you used some "abstract virtual clock"
> >> when you set your clock.
> >>
> >> How did you read "the abstract virtual clock"? :-D
> >>
> >>>
> >>> This means that in fact, all the watches remain out of tune by nature,
> >>> and will always remain so,
> >>
> >> You have said that you use internet to synchronise your clock,
> >> so what does it mean that it still is "out of tune"?
> >> Is your clock a cuckoo clock with a cuckoo who is singing out of tune?
> >>
> >> Merry Christmas Richard.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> https://paulba.no/
> >
> >
> > I synchronise my clock to the first 3 seconds of the big bang...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Well that's ignorant, both Big Bang and Steady State
> are neither falsifiable, neither "scientific",
> both merely exercises in tuning, furthermore
> now it's stopped.
> 
> The JWST has roundly paint-canned expansion theory
> and most of inflationary theory since it was already
> for decades and decades that astronomy just has
> only one variable "redshift" that redshift bias
> is removable because of optical effects and now
> all the old Cold Lambda have a sort of speculative
> way of reading them.


You have to understand..

Time (as you know it) had it's beginging with space and time.


The first 3 seconds is universal time.


Local time is Einstien's Time.


In other words, you have your clock synchronized to a
Cuckoo clock that sits outside looking out of
Einstein'ts window.


Just take the first 3 seconds and add additional seconds until
you reach...Now. That would be the correct time...now. 



 






-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-01 18:22 +0000
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          Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 14:52 +0000
    Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-16 15:35 +0000
    Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-16 15:36 +0000
      Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-12-16 17:41 +0100
      Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2024-12-17 12:33 +0800
        Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 10:45 +0000
          Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-12-17 12:24 +0100
          Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 16:42 +0000
            Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 17:19 +0000
              Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 17:32 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 17:50 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 17:57 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 18:14 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 18:15 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method "shades@cov.net.inv" <seeu@nt.net> - 2024-12-17 20:47 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 18:02 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 17:58 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jp@python.invalide> - 2024-12-17 18:40 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 18:01 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 18:05 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-18 16:43 +0000
            Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-12-17 18:51 +0100
  Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-12-17 15:30 +0200
    Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 14:16 +0000
      Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-12-19 12:52 +0200
        Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-19 11:34 +0000

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