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Re: Relativistic synchronisation method

From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Relativistic synchronisation method
Date	2024-12-22 12:21 -0800
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Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
> 
> Den 22.12.2024 14:35, skrev Richard Hachel:
> > Le 22/12/2024 Ã  14:00, "Paul.B.Andersen" a Ã©crit :
> >>
> >> I want you to answer my simple questions in a way I can understand.
> >>
> >> I will reformulate my question so you will only have to
> >> answer "YES" or "NO".
> >>
> >> Here we go:
> >>
> >> Richard, do you own a watch of some kind?
> >> Â  'yes' or 'no', please!
> >>
> >> Do you use the internet to set your watch?
> >> (or is your watch a computer on the net?)
> >> Â  'yes' or 'no', please!
> >>
> >> Do you use a mobile network to set your watch?
> >> (or is your watch a mobile phone?)
> >> Â  'yes' or 'no', please!
> >>
> >> Do you use GPS to set your watch?
> >> (or is your watch a GPS-receiver?)
> >> Â  'yes' or 'no', please!
> >>
> >> Do you use public radio or TV to set yourÂ  watch?
> >> (or is your watch on a radio receiver or a TV?)
> >>
> >> Do you expect your watch to show the same as the clock on
> >> the wall of a railway station or an airport (within a minute or so)?
> >> Â  'yes' or 'no', please
> >
> > Everything you say is true.
> >
> > So I can answer "yes, absolutely" to all your questions.
> 
> OK. Thanks for a clear answer.
> 
> You expect your watch to be synchronous with the clock on the wall
> of a railway station or an airport an airport within a minute or so.
> 
> That is because you know that just about all clocks in France
> are synchronous and show UTC+1 hour.
> So do the clocks in most western European countries,
> Your clock and my clock are synchronous with UTC+1h.
> (My clock within 1 second)
> 
> >
> > The problem is that you do not understand what you are doing, and what a
> > synchronization process consists of in our universe.
> 
> >
> > When you synchronize all the users' watches, you synchronize them on a
> > single watch, which is the system watch and which is located in a given
> > place (the position of the watch is as crucial as its relative speed in
> > the cosmos).
> 
> Quite.
> The single clock is the USNO Master Clock.
> Its position in cosmos is Washington, D.C., USA
> 
>   https://www.cnmoc.usff.navy.mil/Our-Commands/United-States-Naval-Observatory/Precise-Time-Department/The-USNO-Master-Clock/
> 
> > This watch is an "abstract", virtual watch, which synchronizes all the
> > watches on it, and on IT ALONE, to give coherence to the whole.
> 
> It is a very real clock, consisting of several atomic clocks.
> 
> Richard, I am in the real world.
> 
> I synchronise my clock to the master clock with this:
> 
> https://time.is/clock
> 
> It uses the internet. The delay both ways in the net is measured
> and corrected for, so the displayed  time will be correct
> within a second.
> 
> You answered yes to these questions:
> Do you use the internet to set your watch?
> Do you expect your watch to show the same as the clock on
> the wall of a railway station or an airport (within a minute or so)?
> 
> So you synchronise your clock to UTC+1h in the same way as I do, and you
> expect your clock to be synchronous with UTC+1h within a minute or so.
> (I expect it to be synchronous within a second.)
> 
> So don't tell me that you used some "abstract virtual clock"
> when you set your clock.
> 
> How did you read "the abstract virtual clock"? :-D
> 
> >
> > This means that in fact, all the watches remain out of tune by nature,
> > and will always remain so,
> 
> You have said that you use internet to synchronise your clock,
> so what does it mean that it still is "out of tune"?
> Is your clock a cuckoo clock with a cuckoo who is singing out of tune?
> 
> Merry Christmas Richard.
> 
> --
> Paul
> 
> https://paulba.no/


I synchronise my clock to the first 3 seconds of the big bang...





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Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-16 12:22 +0000
  Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2024-12-16 22:59 +0800
    Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-12-16 16:25 +0100
      Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-16 16:06 +0000
        Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-12-16 17:43 +0100
          Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-16 17:02 +0000
            Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-12-16 19:51 +0100
              Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-16 23:25 +0000
        Re: Relativistic synchronisation method "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-12-17 14:51 +0100
          Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 14:31 +0000
            Re: Relativistic synchronisation method "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-12-21 15:22 +0100
              Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-21 17:26 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-12-22 14:02 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-22 13:35 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-22 11:16 -0800
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-26 14:08 -0800
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-12-22 20:58 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-22 12:21 -0800
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-12-22 12:31 -0800
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-23 11:32 -0800
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-24 00:17 -0800
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-12-22 21:25 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-12-22 12:26 -0800
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-22 21:15 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-12-22 13:31 -0800
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-12-23 10:16 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-23 16:01 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-12-29 13:39 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-29 08:25 -0800
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-29 17:59 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-12-30 21:43 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-30 20:59 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-12-31 11:15 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-31 10:32 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-12-31 11:40 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-31 11:26 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-12-31 13:05 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-31 13:10 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-31 10:58 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-01-01 12:37 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-01-01 13:06 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-01 13:53 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2025-01-01 17:18 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-01 18:17 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-01-01 19:30 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-01 21:50 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-01-02 00:03 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 09:05 -0800
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 09:24 -0800
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 09:28 -0800
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2025-01-01 17:55 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-01-01 21:22 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-01-01 21:55 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2025-01-02 00:07 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2025-01-01 18:14 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-01 18:22 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2025-01-01 18:38 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-01 21:52 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-01-01 22:01 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2025-01-02 00:21 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2025-01-01 18:29 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-29 18:04 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-12-30 21:43 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-30 21:06 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-12-31 11:26 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-31 11:04 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-12-31 16:29 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-12-31 16:46 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-01-01 14:22 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-01-01 19:33 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-01-01 23:28 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-01-02 00:05 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-01-02 14:31 +0100
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-01-02 14:49 +0100
          Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 14:52 +0000
    Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-16 15:35 +0000
    Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-16 15:36 +0000
      Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-12-16 17:41 +0100
      Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2024-12-17 12:33 +0800
        Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 10:45 +0000
          Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-12-17 12:24 +0100
          Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 16:42 +0000
            Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 17:19 +0000
              Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 17:32 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 17:50 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 17:57 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 18:14 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 18:15 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method "shades@cov.net.inv" <seeu@nt.net> - 2024-12-17 20:47 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 18:02 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 17:58 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jp@python.invalide> - 2024-12-17 18:40 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 18:01 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 18:05 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-18 16:43 +0000
            Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-12-17 18:51 +0100
  Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-12-17 15:30 +0200
    Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 14:16 +0000
      Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-12-19 12:52 +0200
        Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-19 11:34 +0000

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