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Re: Relativistic synchronisation method

From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Relativistic synchronisation method
Date 2024-12-24 00:17 -0800
Organization The Starmaker Organization
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The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Ross Finlayson wrote:
> >
> > On 12/22/2024 12:21 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Den 22.12.2024 14:35, skrev Richard Hachel:
> > >>> Le 22/12/2024 à 14:00, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I want you to answer my simple questions in a way I can understand.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I will reformulate my question so you will only have to
> > >>>> answer "YES" or "NO".
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Here we go:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Richard, do you own a watch of some kind?
> > >>>> Â  'yes' or 'no', please!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Do you use the internet to set your watch?
> > >>>> (or is your watch a computer on the net?)
> > >>>> Â  'yes' or 'no', please!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Do you use a mobile network to set your watch?
> > >>>> (or is your watch a mobile phone?)
> > >>>> Â  'yes' or 'no', please!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Do you use GPS to set your watch?
> > >>>> (or is your watch a GPS-receiver?)
> > >>>> Â  'yes' or 'no', please!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Do you use public radio or TV to set your  watch?
> > >>>> (or is your watch on a radio receiver or a TV?)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Do you expect your watch to show the same as the clock on
> > >>>> the wall of a railway station or an airport (within a minute or so)?
> > >>>> Â  'yes' or 'no', please
> > >>>
> > >>> Everything you say is true.
> > >>>
> > >>> So I can answer "yes, absolutely" to all your questions.
> > >>
> > >> OK. Thanks for a clear answer.
> > >>
> > >> You expect your watch to be synchronous with the clock on the wall
> > >> of a railway station or an airport an airport within a minute or so.
> > >>
> > >> That is because you know that just about all clocks in France
> > >> are synchronous and show UTC+1 hour.
> > >> So do the clocks in most western European countries,
> > >> Your clock and my clock are synchronous with UTC+1h.
> > >> (My clock within 1 second)
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> The problem is that you do not understand what you are doing, and what a
> > >>> synchronization process consists of in our universe.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> When you synchronize all the users' watches, you synchronize them on a
> > >>> single watch, which is the system watch and which is located in a given
> > >>> place (the position of the watch is as crucial as its relative speed in
> > >>> the cosmos).
> > >>
> > >> Quite.
> > >> The single clock is the USNO Master Clock.
> > >> Its position in cosmos is Washington, D.C., USA
> > >>
> > >>    https://www.cnmoc.usff.navy.mil/Our-Commands/United-States-Naval-Observatory/Precise-Time-Department/The-USNO-Master-Clock/
> > >>
> > >>> This watch is an "abstract", virtual watch, which synchronizes all the
> > >>> watches on it, and on IT ALONE, to give coherence to the whole.
> > >>
> > >> It is a very real clock, consisting of several atomic clocks.
> > >>
> > >> Richard, I am in the real world.
> > >>
> > >> I synchronise my clock to the master clock with this:
> > >>
> > >> https://time.is/clock
> > >>
> > >> It uses the internet. The delay both ways in the net is measured
> > >> and corrected for, so the displayed  time will be correct
> > >> within a second.
> > >>
> > >> You answered yes to these questions:
> > >> Do you use the internet to set your watch?
> > >> Do you expect your watch to show the same as the clock on
> > >> the wall of a railway station or an airport (within a minute or so)?
> > >>
> > >> So you synchronise your clock to UTC+1h in the same way as I do, and you
> > >> expect your clock to be synchronous with UTC+1h within a minute or so.
> > >> (I expect it to be synchronous within a second.)
> > >>
> > >> So don't tell me that you used some "abstract virtual clock"
> > >> when you set your clock.
> > >>
> > >> How did you read "the abstract virtual clock"? :-D
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> This means that in fact, all the watches remain out of tune by nature,
> > >>> and will always remain so,
> > >>
> > >> You have said that you use internet to synchronise your clock,
> > >> so what does it mean that it still is "out of tune"?
> > >> Is your clock a cuckoo clock with a cuckoo who is singing out of tune?
> > >>
> > >> Merry Christmas Richard.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Paul
> > >>
> > >> https://paulba.no/
> > >
> > >
> > > I synchronise my clock to the first 3 seconds of the big bang...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Well that's ignorant, both Big Bang and Steady State
> > are neither falsifiable, neither "scientific",
> > both merely exercises in tuning, furthermore
> > now it's stopped.
> >
> > The JWST has roundly paint-canned expansion theory
> > and most of inflationary theory since it was already
> > for decades and decades that astronomy just has
> > only one variable "redshift" that redshift bias
> > is removable because of optical effects and now
> > all the old Cold Lambda have a sort of speculative
> > way of reading them.
> 
> You have to understand..
> 
> Time (as you know it) had it's beginging with space and time.
> 
> The first 3 seconds is universal time.
> 
> Local time is Einstien's Time.
> 
> In other words, you have your clock synchronized to a
> Cuckoo clock that sits outside looking out of
> Einstein'ts window.
> 
> Just take the first 3 seconds and add additional seconds until
> you reach...Now. That would be the correct time...now.
> 
> 


Now, if my clock had a button on it which I press...and all of Time
would stop, all
over the uinverse...it would stop..NOW. 

Now is universal.


Einstein's time is Locult Time.


It's regional, not universal.


Regional, Einstein can control the speed of light, but he cannot contol
it universally.


Relativity is a cult.


stay within your local boundaries and you won't be penalized...





-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-22 12:21 -0800
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    Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-16 15:35 +0000
    Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-16 15:36 +0000
      Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-12-16 17:41 +0100
      Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2024-12-17 12:33 +0800
        Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 10:45 +0000
          Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-12-17 12:24 +0100
          Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 16:42 +0000
            Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 17:19 +0000
              Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 17:32 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 17:50 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 17:57 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 18:14 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 18:15 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method "shades@cov.net.inv" <seeu@nt.net> - 2024-12-17 20:47 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 18:02 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 17:58 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jp@python.invalide> - 2024-12-17 18:40 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 18:01 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 18:05 +0000
                Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-18 16:43 +0000
            Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-12-17 18:51 +0100
  Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-12-17 15:30 +0200
    Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-12-17 14:16 +0000
      Re: Relativistic synchronisation method Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-12-19 12:52 +0200
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