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Re: The truth about the Lorentz Transformation.

From	hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel)
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Subject	Re: The truth about the Lorentz Transformation.
Date	2024-09-19 11:58 +0000
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 3:16:44 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>
> In reality, the LT is the difference in time taken for the transverse
> and longitudinal beams.
> Like with a river current, the longitudinal motion will be delayed more
> than the transverse.
> This is the difference that should have been detected by the
> Michelson-Morley experiment.
> As with water that is not flowing, we don't need these equations without
> an ether.
> Since relativity does not involve an ether, applying the Lorentz
> Transformation in this context is nonsensical.

So what are you trying to say?
(1) "We need the LT because there IS an ether."
(2) "We don't need the LT because there is no ether."
(3) You have no idea what you're trying to say.

I submit that (1) and (2) are false.

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