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Re: The truth about the Lorentz Transformation.

From	Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: The truth about the Lorentz Transformation.
Date	2024-09-22 22:41 +0800
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On 17-Sept-24 11:16 am, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
> In reality, the LT is the difference in time taken for the transverse
> and longitudinal beams.
> Like with a river current, the longitudinal motion will be delayed more
> than the transverse.
> This is the difference that should have been detected by the
> Michelson-Morley experiment.
> As with water that is not flowing, we don't need these equations without
> an ether.
> Since relativity does not involve an ether, applying the Lorentz
> Transformation in this context is nonsensical.

If you look for equations that describe a universe in which all 
observers measure the same speed for light, then you arrive at the 
Lorentz transformation. This is why Einstein and Lorentz ended up in the 
same place - they both started with the same premise.

Sylvia.

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