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| Subject | Re: energy and mass |
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Ross Finlayson wrote:
> J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>> J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>> Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>> Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>> Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd wonder, have you ever heard any notion that there's a
>>>>>> modern, "crisis", in physics? That is to say, when somebody
>>>>>> like Penrose points out that GR and QM effectively disagree
>>>>>> 120 orders of magnitude, and furthermore, there's no room
>>>>>> for gravity in the theory since it would be a constant violation
>>>>>> of energy everywhere, are these considered worthy of interest?
>>>>>
>>>>> I bought and read Lee Smolin's "the trouble with physics"
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trouble_with_Physics
>>>>>
>>>>> and passed it on to a friend who did undergraduate physics but
>>>>> metamorphosed into a statistician. I've also got Roger Penrose's "The
>>>>> Emperor's New Mind" which was earlier. For years I read "Physics Today"
>>>>> because my wife was a member of the American Acoustical Society.
>>>>> Emperor's New Mind" which was earlier. For years I read "Physics Today"
>>>>> because my wife was a member of the American Acoustical Society.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm well aware that there is talk of a crisis in physics, but if you
>>>>> want to publish a book about what's going on, you do need to play up the
>>>>> drama to give the reviewers something to talk about.
>>>>
>>>> Lee Smolin was a player in the game,
>>>> not just a spectator.
>>>> And Penrose is an idiot, where physics is concerned
>>>> as soon as he gets beyond the technicalities of GR. (just imho)
>>>>
>>>>> Our world view isn't entirely consistent, and it probably never will be
>>>>> - the more we learn the harder it becomes to pull everything together
>>>>
>>>> The problem isn't with the world, I think.
>>>> It is us humans failing to get the right ideas about it.
>>>>
>>>>>> How about Mathematics, ..., I'm curious what you think that
>>>>>> Mathematical Foundations is.
>>>>>
>>>>> For me mathematics is a tool box. I'm well aware that I'm not a
>>>>> mathematician, but I can follow mathematical advice.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreeably, my little video essays are rather dry. That said,
>>>>>> some of the modern AI reasoners eat them up. For example,
>>>>>> in "Logos 2000: physics today" I gathered a bunch of responses
>>>>>> from a sort of model reasoner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about "continuity" and "infinity", I'm curious what these
>>>>>> things mean to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finite and continuous functions can be differentiate and integrated.
>>>>> My undergraduate mathematical education concentrated on them. I'd been
>>>>> exposed to permutations and combinations at secondary school in
>>>>> Tasmania, and one of my cousins is a professional statistician, so I did
>>>>> know that there was a world outside calculus.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know enough to know that the infinite number of integers is a smaller
>>>>> number than the infinite number of rational numbers, but I don't get
>>>>> excited about it.
>>>>
>>>> You shouldn't. It is another thing that you got completely wrong.
>>>>
>>>>> I knew some of the linguists that tried to describe natural language in
>>>>> terms of a generalised phase structure grammar
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalized_phrase_structure_grammar
>>>>>
>>>>> and got to hear when they decided that it didn't work. That's math too.
>>>>>
>>>>> and got to hear when they decided that it didn't work. That's math too.
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm. Of a kind, I guess.
>>>> Just packaging it as math isn't enough,
>>>
>>> Is there any particular idea for which Smolin is known?
>>
>> Not that I know of. Best known is loop quantum gravity.
>> His invention of 'cosmic natural selection'
>> in combination with anthropic principles
>> is a complete disaster. (if you ask me)
>> It is tantamount to an admission of defeat.
>>
>> Smolin is part of the general failure of string theory and quantum
>> gravity to produce anything worthwhile.
>>
>>> I've read some of his books, nothing really comes to mind.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Smolin
>>>
>>>
>>> If "loop quantum gravity" is the thing,
>>> then there are "spin foam networks".
>>>
>>> It's a popularizer.
>>
>> The field certainly needs popularising.
>> And to be fair, Smolin was one of the first to emphasize
>> that his field, which he identifies with 'physics,
>> is in a deep crisis. (it still is, btw)
>>
>>> In Lincoln Barnett's book on Einstein, he quotes Einstein
>>> with regards to the role of popularizers, with regards to
>>> physics and the public its perception thereof.
>>>
>>> https://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath787/kmath787.htm
>>
>> I think Einstein generally was a kind man.
>> He disliked severly criticising people in public.
>> Worst example perhaps: Velikovsky.
>> It is known that Einstein told V. in private
>> that all of his ideas of cavorting planets was bunk.
>> (and that it detracted from the rest of his work)
>> E. kept silent when V. published his 'Worlds in Collision' nevertheless.
>>> If "loop quantum gravity" is the thing,
>>> then there are "spin foam networks".
>>>
>>> It's a popularizer.
>>
>> The field certainly needs popularising.
>> And to be fair, Smolin was one of the first to emphasize
>> that his field, which he identifies with 'physics,
>> is in a deep crisis. (it still is, btw)
>>
>>> In Lincoln Barnett's book on Einstein, he quotes Einstein
>>> with regards to the role of popularizers, with regards to
>>> physics and the public its perception thereof.
>>>
>>> https://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath787/kmath787.htm
>>
>> I think Einstein generally was a kind man.
>> He disliked severly criticising people in public.
>> Worst example perhaps: Velikovsky.
>> It is known that Einstein told V. in private
>> that all of his ideas of cavorting planets was bunk.
>> (and that it detracted from the rest of his work)
>> E. kept silent when V. published his 'Worlds in Collision' nevertheless.
>>
>>> Kevin Brown there writes a lot of interesting things about physics.
>>
>> I hadn't encountered his writings.
>>
>> About 'relativistic mass' and Feynman, in your ref.:
>> I think Feynman's treatment of relativity in his 'Lectures'
>> is poor indeed, the worst part of the series.
>> Feynman was too easy on himself there.
>> (he should have paid more attention to Wheeler)
>
> The recent AI slop attempting to simulate Feynman
> is garbage, since not only was he not that pretty,
> also he was always rather laconic, that it reminds
> me of the AI slop garbage about neo-Stoicism,
> which doesn't reflect the ideals and is shamelessly
> self-centered.
>
> I.e., it's what Feynman didn't say what usually
> made him less than insufferable.
>
> Yeah, that AI slop garbage will always be rejected.
Pertinent passages pulled from THE HIGGS FAKE: HOW PARTICLE PHYSICS
FOOLED THE NOBEL COMMITTEE by Alexander Unzicker:
Come out with a Number
Today's scientists got widely used to cheap patches when
it comes to fixing some contradiction in an ad-hoc manner,
but the real problems fall into oblivion. Take, for
instance, the fine structure constant, a combination of
the constants c, e, ε0 and h. The number 137.035999... is,
according to Richard Feynman, "one of the great damn
mysteries of physics" and he recommended all good
theoretical physicists should "put this number up on their
wall and worry about it."
Since Feynman wrote this 30 years ago, none of the 10,000
particle physicists has made any damn progress in that
question. It might be difficult, yes, but those who didn't
even spare a thought about it in the past 30 years (I bet
this is the vast majority of CERN theorists) please don't
tell me that you deal with something fundamental. Physics
is about the big questions, not about fiddling around with
150 parameters.
...
Nobody at the time seems to have reflected upon the grave
epistemological defeat coming along with another, complicating
subdivision of elementary particles. The idea of quarks does
not explain anything, let alone provide a revolutionary
perspective. It is precisely such fake understanding that,
without being testable by a concrete observation, has eroded
physics, the gradual spreading of the sickness being justified
by the argument "we don't have anything better."
Sadly, Richard Feynman, with a mind of refreshing criticality
elsewhere, also capitulated, complying with the zeitgeist.
"There is much evidence in favor of the existence of quarks
and little evidence against, thus let's assume they exist."
As if you had to prove that a theory is nonsense instead of
proving it makes sense!
A conclusion is the place where you got tired
thinking - Martin H. Fischer
...
A Parroter's Guide to Writing History
A part of the celebrities' glory is always due to
the stupidity of the admirers. - Georg Christoph
Lichtenberg, German physicist (1742-1799)
An ironic aspect here is that Gell-Mann's quarks, which had
to be bound inside the proton, completely contradicted
Feynman's original idea of partons, which he thought of as
free particles in a (due to relativity) pancake-like deformed
proton (a naïve assumption anyway). Once Feynman's authority
had been widely used to publicize the concept, nobody cared
any more about the inherent contradiction. Instead, by
ritualized parroting, the henceforth ineradicable self-
deception of the quark model being a "simplification" gained
ground among particle physicists.
...
Physics Goes Loopy
...the descending size scale atom, nucleus, quark.
The nasty suspicion arises that the thing does not
end here ... - Emilio Segrè
So how did it come about that today we are told that quarks
are the elementary building blocks of matter? What followed
is a textbook example of a symbiosis of vague experimental
facts and theoretical fantasies with poor predictive power.
The wishy-washy regularities that had been christened as
"the eightfold way" were classified using the mathematical
tool of group theory, or "symmetry groups," e.g. a
description of how you may rotate objects in three dimensions
(which would be called SO(3)). The math-physics symbiosis
here drastically differs from other successful fields like,
say, general relativity. There, you compare the predictions
with the measurements and get a number expressed in percentages.
Group theory instead just plays with qualitative properties
of particles, a juggling on a noncommittal meta-level
extraneous to physical mechanisms.
This was possible because theorists have abusively generalized
the idea of symmetry groups beyond the realm where they made
sense. It is perfectly ok to say that the laws of mechanics
don't depend on the rotations in three-dimensional space, hence
they are "symmetric under SO(3)" (the idea originated from the
famous mathematician Emmy Noether). But it becomes ridiculous
if instead of real space you apply it to the fancy diagram
drawn with "isospin" and "strangeness" as axes. These symmetry
operations[XXVIII] have become the dominating paradigm in
theoretical physics, although they turned measurable predictions
to completelymetaphorical concepts. Richard Feynman once said,
about an alleged unification scheme based on such group
theoretical concepts:
SU(3) x SU(2) x U(1)? Where does it go together? Only
if you add stuff that we don't know. There isn't any
theory today that has SU(3) x SU(2) x U(1) - whatever
the hell that is - that we know is right, that has any
experimental check. Now, these guys are all trying to
put this together. They're trying to. But they haven't.
Ok?
It is always a pleasure for me to quote that, when debating with
particle physicists the alleged "stringent simplicity" of their
model. However, much earlier than Feynman, Wolfgang Pauli had hit
the point. He called the spreading nonsense "group pestilence."
Theoretical physics has suffered for half a century from the
infection.
--
73, Don, KB7RPU veritas _|_
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Shitting and pissing your own pants again? [A noiseless patient Spider] (Re: energy and mass) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-02-21 20:54 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-19 08:54 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 18:32 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-20 08:46 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 15:39 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 21:31 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 23:23 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:06 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 23:18 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 20:20 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 03:11 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 03:24 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 02:42 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 10:30 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 11:15 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:23 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:01 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 22:38 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 23:23 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:24 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 12:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 00:15 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 15:15 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 02:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 20:34 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 16:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-25 11:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 08:33 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 12:28 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 08:46 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 09:26 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:49 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:30 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 12:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 09:02 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 20:34 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 16:17 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-25 11:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 08:35 -0800
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-25 10:01 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 13:24 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-26 16:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 11:21 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-26 11:29 +0100
Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-02-26 12:32 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 13:24 +0100
Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-02-26 18:33 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 21:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass Domingo Totolos <itot@go.gr> - 2026-02-26 21:01 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 06:05 -0800
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-26 15:32 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 06:41 -0800
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-26 18:11 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 10:40 -0800
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-26 20:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 11:52 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-28 10:14 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 00:04 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 20:40 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-03 09:53 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-03 23:14 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-05 11:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-06 01:43 +1100
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-05 16:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 08:48 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-05 22:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 18:20 -0800
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-06 11:01 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-07 16:48 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 21:56 -0800
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-07 04:16 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-08 00:31 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 07:08 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-08 00:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 08:42 -0800
Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-03-05 18:48 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 12:32 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-06 05:57 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-08 09:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 01:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-10 09:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 08:56 -0700
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-10 09:13 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 09:21 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 09:16 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 04:20 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 10:37 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 03:01 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-01 13:13 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 06:51 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 07:06 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 17:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-28 10:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 00:17 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 21:03 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-03 10:06 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-03 23:40 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-03 13:47 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-04 16:25 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-04 02:52 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-07 23:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-06 09:37 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-07 00:36 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 07:47 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-07 17:12 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 06:59 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-08 11:33 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 19:19 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 01:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 08:29 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 12:52 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 20:04 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 20:17 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 00:09 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 07:36 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 09:09 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 14:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 14:17 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 10:59 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 11:41 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 13:18 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 23:59 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 07:32 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-09 21:49 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 15:24 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 15:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 22:07 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 16:58 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 23:26 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 09:25 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 04:33 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 10:45 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 03:36 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 10:13 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 14:51 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-08 09:53 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 02:07 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-01 12:49 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 04:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-28 15:06 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 07:27 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 08:54 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-06 06:12 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-28 16:31 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 07:49 -0800
Re: energy and mass Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-02-28 16:01 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 08:13 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 08:37 -0800
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-28 18:18 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-28 17:59 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 09:06 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-28 19:10 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-28 18:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:59 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-03 09:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-28 23:02 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-01 00:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-03-01 00:33 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 16:52 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-01 02:30 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 22:50 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-01 17:06 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 09:08 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-02 02:04 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-02 02:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 19:00 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-02 02:13 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 19:39 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 08:50 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 10:22 -0800
Re: energy and mass Taylor Mészáros <motor@orkzmm.hu> - 2026-03-01 21:17 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-02 01:53 +0100
Re: energy and mass Winford Balabolkin <od@dnwi.ru> - 2026-03-02 10:37 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-02 02:00 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 18:59 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-03 10:18 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-03 03:21 -0800
Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-03-01 07:09 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-01 02:13 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-01 10:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-01 23:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-01 10:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-01 23:53 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-01 10:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 08:32 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:52 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 02:45 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 12:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 00:32 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 15:15 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 02:31 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 20:34 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 14:53 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 17:42 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-27 10:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Jovany Márton <md@jjryoto.hu> - 2026-02-27 17:33 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 09:17 -0800
Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-24 18:41 +0000
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 20:34 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 08:56 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:27 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 12:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-19 14:36 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 07:56 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 03:00 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 07:49 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 05:30 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 07:46 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 05:40 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-19 21:41 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 15:52 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-20 15:22 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-19 11:27 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-19 21:41 +0100
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-19 17:48 -0800
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-20 01:35 -0800
Re: energy and mass Arie de Muijnck <noreply@ademu.nl> - 2026-02-20 08:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-20 11:35 +0100
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-19 22:11 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-19 23:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 15:49 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-19 20:45 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 07:44 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 06:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-19 21:41 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 15:48 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 18:45 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 08:47 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 05:31 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 10:52 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 11:13 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 16:11 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 21:41 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 21:52 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 23:56 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:20 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:34 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:47 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 20:34 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 22:50 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 23:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 08:54 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:04 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 00:38 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 12:28 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 02:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 23:35 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:08 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 12:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:52 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 20:34 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 11:46 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:30 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 12:28 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 23:58 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:16 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:12 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 12:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 00:09 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 15:15 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 03:03 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 20:34 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-26 17:07 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 11:21 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 04:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 21:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 17:48 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-27 10:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-28 04:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-27 21:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-28 17:14 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-26 10:22 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 05:08 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-26 09:52 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 04:54 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-28 10:28 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 00:52 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 21:35 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 08:43 -0800
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-01 10:45 -0800
Re: energy and mass athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-01 19:53 +0000
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-01 12:53 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-01 20:31 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 12:59 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-02 01:59 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 15:56 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 22:03 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 22:12 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 00:08 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:40 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:58 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 23:25 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 11:25 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 02:55 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 00:01 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 12:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 16:06 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 11:25 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 03:20 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.invalid (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 22:38 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 14:10 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:46 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 23:12 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 23:26 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:40 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 22:53 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 12:28 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 00:17 +1100
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-20 20:09 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 11:21 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-21 16:16 +0100
Cardinalities of sets (was: energy and mass) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-21 16:16 +0100
Re: Cardinalities of sets Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 08:14 -0800
Re: Cardinalities of sets Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 08:30 -0800
Re: Cardinalities of sets Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 08:51 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-20 21:47 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 18:48 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 11:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 04:52 -0800
Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-23 14:36 +0000
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 03:57 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 09:08 -0800
Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-23 18:16 +0000
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:49 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:28 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:15 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 00:42 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-25 18:54 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 11:34 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-25 23:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 20:51 -0800
Re: energy and mass Esequiel Stamatelos <staa@qeaesm.gr> - 2026-02-25 19:54 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 18:38 -0800
Re: energy and mass Emette Totolos <molle@mtt.gr> - 2026-02-26 13:56 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 06:07 -0800
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-26 20:33 -0800
Re: energy and mass Keelyn Imagawa <ewaeaaa@aiy.jp> - 2026-02-27 17:27 +0000
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-27 12:25 -0800
Re: energy and mass Chadwick Katsukawa <iu@aah.jp> - 2026-02-27 21:44 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-26 21:22 +0100
Re: energy and mass Mohammad Fukumitsu <afuimo@sismu.jp> - 2026-02-26 20:41 +0000
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-23 23:33 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-23 15:03 -0800
Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-24 17:26 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 09:38 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 10:09 -0800
business administration book? (Re: energy and mass) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-02-24 21:26 +0100
Re: business administration book? (Re: energy and mass) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 15:01 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 18:04 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-25 10:17 +0100
Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-24 21:50 +0000
Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-24 15:53 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-25 14:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-25 15:54 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-25 17:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-20 08:29 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-17 23:28 +1100
Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-14 10:19 +0000
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-11 23:09 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-11 14:11 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 11:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-12 08:43 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-12 09:41 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 11:27 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-13 10:14 -0800
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-11 14:39 -0800
Re: energy and mass Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> - 2026-02-12 09:39 +0000
Re: energy and mass Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-12 13:42 +0000
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 16:20 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 04:10 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-13 15:15 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-18 21:26 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-12 07:38 -0800
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-12 08:21 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 04:26 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-13 10:00 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 15:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 19:39 +0100
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