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Subject Re: energy and mass
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From Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date 2026-02-21 23:18 -0800
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On 02/21/2026 08:27 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
> On 22/02/2026 12:06 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>> On 02/21/2026 04:23 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>> On 21/02/2026 4:31 pm, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>> On 02/20/2026 08:39 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>> On 21/02/2026 3:46 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Feb 2026 18:32:18 +1100, Bill Sloman
>>>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20/02/2026 3:54 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Feb 2026 14:13:06 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>>>>>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 19/02/2026 9:56 pm, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/02/2026 7:49 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/18/2026 12:43 PM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 18/02/2026 à 20:13, Ross Finlayson a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and, you know, magnetic monopoles, is widely employed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in medical imaging and the like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resonance imaging (NMR) is a thoroughly different mechanism
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than Roentgen rays.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But as the name implies, it's nuclei of the atoms involved that
>>>>>>>>>>>> exhibit
>>>>>>>>>>>> the resonance. It's a remarkably low energy effect, and you
>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>> remarkably high magnetic fields to get it to give you a
>>>>>>>>>>>> detectable signal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nevertheless, it is easily demonstrated in the kitchen
>>>>>>>>>>> with some simple electronics.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sort of.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_magnetic_resonance
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are lots of different ways to exploit nuclear magnetic
>>>>>>>>>> resonance.
>>>>>>>>>> The earth's magnetic field is high enough to let you devise
>>>>>>>>>> experiments
>>>>>>>>>> that can demonstrate the effect on a kitchen table.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nothing 'sort of'.
>>>>>>>>> You -can- easily demonstrate the effect on the kitchen table.
>>>>>>>>> (at audio frequencies)  Wikipedia is right here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NMR was a fairly popular analytical chemistry business for a
>>>>>>>> while. We
>>>>>>>> made pulsed-field gradient coil drivers and temperature controllers
>>>>>>>> for Varian.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But superconductive magnets and liquid helium are expensive, and
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> techniques took over. It was common to visit a lab that had a giant
>>>>>>>> magnet in the corner, warm and collecting dust. A similar mass spec
>>>>>>>> technique, FTMS,  died for the same reason... too expensive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agilent bought Varian to get their medical stuff but immediately
>>>>>>>> killed the NMR operation. I think Bruker still does NMR.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hospitals prefer cat scans to MRIs these days. Cat scans are much
>>>>>>>> cheaper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But not as good. When I had a ruptured intervertebral disk back in
>>>>>>> 1988,
>>>>>>> I paid extra to get an MRI scan and my clinician was blown away
>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>> higher resolution it offered - it was about twice as good as he
>>>>>>> saw in
>>>>>>> X-ray based CAT scans. He got my okay to use it for teaching
>>>>>>> purposes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And it didn't raise my risk of getting cancer at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a head injury and volunteered for a long-term study, which
>>>>>> involved periodic MRIs. I guess I've had 15. They are slow and
>>>>>> boring.
>>>>>> The gradient coils are very noisy.
>>>>>
>>>>> My father complained about that too. I knew why the gradient coils
>>>>> were
>>>>> making their noise, so it didn't worry me.
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/yte89c83s03fghphb7thh/Brain_1.jpg?rlkey=tb71ahj2lp3zabw88ws6reofx&raw=1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A cat scan takes about a minute.
>>>>>
>>>>> Getting through the whole procedure takes a lot longer than that. My
>>>>> local hospital is only a ten minute walk away, but the hospital
>>>>> insists
>>>>> on keeping me sitting around for about an hour during even the fastest
>>>>> procedures. They seem to need to keep the patients intimidated. Or at
>>>>> least acting as if they are intimidated.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The "nuclear medicine" with "technicium 99" is quite targeted.
>>>>
>>>> I felt it helped me a lot with the post-COVID sequelae,
>>>> and everything else, while it's not a usual thing.
>>>>
>>>> (Also had a nice time with the ultrasound tech.)
>>>>
>>>> It seems everybody forget everybody has COVID.
>>>> That said, the post-nasal pharyngeal swab with
>>>> the Tobacco Mosaic Virus epitopes and the
>>>> Omicron the "COVID-Lite" really helped crowd it out.
>>>>
>>>> A shot of remdesivir when the MERS was kicking in
>>>> before COVID also seemed to help, and hopefully
>>>> the Hep B vaccine was helpful, while though I
>>>> never took the mRNA jab and intend never will,
>>>> then also I hope to avoid the Crow-vid and Cow-vid
>>>> (and, Pig-vid) and avoid food animals with mRNA jabs.
>>>
>>> Why the anxiety about mRNA vaccines? At least you know exactly what you
>>> are getting. You can't be as confident about the effect on you because
>>> we've all got about a million single-nucleotide polymorphisms (out of
>>> our three billion nucleotides). Enough people have had their DNA
>>> sequenced that we can hope that we will eventually learn about the
>>> interaction between particular vaccines and particular genomes, but
>>> that's going to be a long way off.
>>>
>>
>> Not that it's so relevant to matters of great theory,
>> yet besides that the mRNA operation is not only like
>> a terrible infection yet also like a junk machine
>> about inflammation and also incredibly cheap and
>> depending on hijacking the body's RNA replication
>> mechanisms, there's also that wild-type Coronaviridae
>> are part of the body's viriome and part of messaging
>> and signaling in the body.
>
> What a load of ignorant hyperbole. The whole point of the mRA vaccine
> against Covid-19 was that it didn't replicate the whole virus but rather
> just the segment that latched onto the ACE-receptor.
>
> That segment couldn't mutate much without crippling the capacity of the
> virus to infect us, so it was stable target, and it couldn't do anything
> else so it wasn't going to get into the human viriome.
>
>> Also there's that mRNA is more authentically messenger RNA,
>> it should also be mu-RNA or miRNA I suppose it is, since
>> mRNA and tRNA and so on were already used. So, I'm
>> simply against it since it's dirt cheap and subverts
>> natural mechanisms, then that ideas like traditional vaccines
>> with more expensive yet live-type results are having a much
>> longer run of testing.
>
> In other words you haven't got a clue about what was actually gong on.
>
>> The other vaccines in development like the original Oxford
>> vaccine were much more involved and intended to treat
>> originally other diseases like those of the T-viridae.
>> Then TMV post-nasal delivered epitopes and Omicron
>> crowded it out, it being the successive waves of the
>> contents of SARS capsid payloads.
>>
>> Since at least twenty years ago there's a laboratory
>> where one can simply order DNA, or RNA, assembled to sequence,
>> then there are virus research labs who make their own.
>> It's not rocket science, though, it is virus science.
>>
>> Don't confuse "miRNA rejection" with "vaccine intolerance".
>
> Both look identical to pig ignorance. Doctor Johnson talked about
> arguing precedence between a flea and a louse. I'm not going to bother.
>

Somehow I didn't die. Yet, ....

I'm curious, how many times you got the jab,
and whether you were ever, "positive", for COVID.

Here about half the population didn't get the jab.

Stories of reactions are widespread.

Whether it reduced transmissibility is arguable,
since it's clear that 100% of the population
got COVID.

These days pretty much everybody still has
a nominally non-zero COVID virus load.

First time I ever saw a dead body laying out
on the street, ....

That cat was already out of the bag.

Over on sci.math there was a great long thread
"What's the best vaccine for COVID-19?", then
it was appreciated that medical journals opened
up, and it was rather thoroughly studied here.

Matters of macropinocytosis and the like and
issues with platelets and fibrosis has that
the COVID-associated is a head-to-toe disease,
or as rather, toe-to-head.


Don't get me wrong, I'm up on MMR and tetanus
and polio and about hep b, yet, not shingles,
which is also endemic, I contracted the chicken
pox as a youth, and not to forget pertussis or
for that matter D68 or tuberculosis, and within
a few weeks of going to college there went
mononucleosis.

No miRNA, though.

I recall one person, over the bookstore counter,
I asked how are today and Bree said "I've been
out a couple days. I got the COVID shot and
overnight a painful baseball-sized welt grew on
my arm, accompanied with other deleterious reactions."
I was like, "Then what happened?". And she said,
"I called my doctor and asked her if this was normal.
And she said 'Yeah right. "Normal"'"

Anyways the TMV and Omicron saved a lot of people.

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                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 12:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 08:46 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 09:26 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:49 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:30 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 12:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 09:02 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 20:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 16:17 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-25 11:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 08:35 -0800
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-25 10:01 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 13:24 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-26 16:50 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 11:21 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-26 11:29 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-02-26 12:32 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 13:24 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-02-26 18:33 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 21:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Domingo Totolos <itot@go.gr> - 2026-02-26 21:01 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 06:05 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-26 15:32 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 06:41 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-26 18:11 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 10:40 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-26 20:12 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 11:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-28 10:14 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 00:04 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:08 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 20:40 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-03 09:53 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-03 23:14 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-05 11:57 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-06 01:43 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-05 16:03 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 08:48 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-05 22:03 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 18:20 -0800
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-06 11:01 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-07 16:48 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 21:56 -0800
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-07 04:16 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-08 00:31 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 07:08 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-08 00:29 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 08:42 -0800
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-03-05 18:48 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 12:32 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-06 05:57 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-01 13:13 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 06:51 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 07:06 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 17:05 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-28 10:03 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 00:17 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:26 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 21:03 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-03 10:06 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-03 23:40 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-03 13:47 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-04 16:25 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-04 02:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-07 23:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-06 09:37 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-07 00:36 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 07:47 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-07 17:12 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 06:59 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-01 12:49 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 04:05 +1100
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-28 15:06 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 07:27 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 08:54 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-06 06:12 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-28 16:31 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 07:49 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-02-28 16:01 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 08:13 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 08:37 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-28 18:18 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-28 17:59 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 09:06 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-28 19:10 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-28 18:01 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:59 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-03 09:19 +0100
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-28 23:02 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-01 00:12 +0100
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-03-01 00:33 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 16:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-01 02:30 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 22:50 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-01 17:06 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 09:08 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-02 02:04 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-02 02:08 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 19:00 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-02 02:13 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 19:39 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 08:50 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 10:22 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Taylor Mészáros <motor@orkzmm.hu> - 2026-03-01 21:17 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-02 01:53 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Winford Balabolkin <od@dnwi.ru> - 2026-03-02 10:37 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-02 02:00 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 18:59 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-03 10:18 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-03 03:21 -0800
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-03-01 07:09 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-01 02:13 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-01 10:45 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-01 23:57 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-01 10:45 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-01 23:53 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-01 10:45 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 08:32 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:52 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 02:45 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 12:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 00:32 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 15:15 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 02:31 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 20:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 14:53 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 17:42 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-27 10:43 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Jovany Márton <md@jjryoto.hu> - 2026-02-27 17:33 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 09:17 -0800
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-24 18:41 +0000
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 20:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 08:56 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:08 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:27 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 12:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-19 14:36 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 07:56 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 03:00 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 07:49 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 05:30 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 07:46 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 05:40 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-19 21:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 15:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-20 15:22 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-19 11:27 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-19 21:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-19 17:48 -0800
                Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-20 01:35 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Arie de Muijnck <noreply@ademu.nl> - 2026-02-20 08:19 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-20 11:35 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-19 22:11 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-19 23:57 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 15:49 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-19 20:45 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 07:44 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 06:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-19 21:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 15:48 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 18:45 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 08:47 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 05:31 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 10:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 11:13 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 16:11 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 21:41 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 21:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 23:56 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:20 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:34 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:47 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:37 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 20:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:27 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 22:50 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 23:44 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 08:54 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:04 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 00:38 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 12:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 02:27 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 23:35 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:08 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 12:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:52 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 20:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 11:46 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:30 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 12:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 23:58 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:08 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:16 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:12 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 12:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 00:09 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 15:15 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 03:03 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 20:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-26 17:07 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 11:21 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 04:29 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 21:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 17:48 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-27 10:43 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-28 04:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-27 21:48 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-28 17:14 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-26 10:22 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 05:08 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-26 09:52 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 04:54 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-28 10:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 00:52 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 21:35 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 08:43 -0800
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-01 10:45 -0800
                Re: energy and mass athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-01 19:53 +0000
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-01 12:53 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-01 20:31 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 12:59 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-02 01:59 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 15:56 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 22:03 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 22:12 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 00:08 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:40 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:58 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 23:25 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 11:25 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 02:55 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 00:01 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 12:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 16:06 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 11:25 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 03:20 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.invalid (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 22:38 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 14:10 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:46 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 23:12 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 23:26 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:40 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 22:53 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 12:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 00:17 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-20 20:09 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 11:21 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-21 16:16 +0100
                Cardinalities of sets (was: energy and mass) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-21 16:16 +0100
                Re: Cardinalities of sets Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 08:14 -0800
                Re: Cardinalities of sets Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 08:30 -0800
                Re: Cardinalities of sets Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 08:51 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-20 21:47 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 18:48 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 11:19 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 04:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-23 14:36 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 03:57 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 09:08 -0800
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-23 18:16 +0000
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:49 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:28 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:15 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 00:42 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-25 18:54 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 11:34 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-25 23:01 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 20:51 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Esequiel Stamatelos <staa@qeaesm.gr> - 2026-02-25 19:54 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 18:38 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Emette Totolos <molle@mtt.gr> - 2026-02-26 13:56 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 06:07 -0800
                Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-26 20:33 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Keelyn Imagawa <ewaeaaa@aiy.jp> - 2026-02-27 17:27 +0000
                Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-27 12:25 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Chadwick Katsukawa <iu@aah.jp> - 2026-02-27 21:44 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-26 21:22 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Mohammad Fukumitsu <afuimo@sismu.jp> - 2026-02-26 20:41 +0000
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:08 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-23 23:33 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-23 15:03 -0800
                Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-24 17:26 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 09:38 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 10:09 -0800
                business administration book? (Re: energy and mass) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-02-24 21:26 +0100
                Re: business administration book? (Re: energy and mass) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 15:01 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 18:04 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-25 10:17 +0100
                Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-24 21:50 +0000
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-24 15:53 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-25 14:48 +0100
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-25 15:54 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-25 17:48 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-20 08:29 +0100
              Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-17 23:28 +1100
        Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-14 10:19 +0000
  Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-11 23:09 +0100
    Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-11 14:11 -0800
      Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 11:12 +0100
        Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-12 08:43 -0800
          Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-12 09:41 -0800
          Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 11:27 +0100
            Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-13 10:14 -0800
    Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-11 14:39 -0800
      Re: energy and mass Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> - 2026-02-12 09:39 +0000
        Re: energy and mass Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-12 13:42 +0000
        Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 16:20 +0100
          Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 04:10 +1100
            Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
              Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-13 15:15 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-18 21:26 +1100
        Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-12 07:38 -0800
          Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-12 08:21 -0800
            Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 04:26 +1100
              Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-13 10:00 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 15:27 +1100
              Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
          Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 19:39 +0100
            Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-12 11:11 -0800
              Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 22:29 +0100
          Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 04:19 +1100
        Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-13 10:03 +0100
          Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 11:59 +0100
          Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 04:41 +1100
            Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 20:57 +0100
              Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
              Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 15:22 +1100
            Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
            Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-14 11:17 +0100
              Re: energy and mass Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-02-14 10:20 +0000
              Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 23:11 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-14 14:21 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-15 02:59 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-17 09:45 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-15 10:07 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-15 23:44 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-15 07:34 -0800
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-15 18:41 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-15 13:18 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-15 21:48 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-17 10:16 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-17 23:41 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-18 16:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-19 03:38 +1100
          Re: energy and mass athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-17 16:45 +0000
            Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-17 09:04 -0800
              Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-17 22:31 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-17 14:56 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-18 10:37 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-18 07:35 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-19 03:49 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-18 09:00 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-02-18 18:35 +0100
      Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 11:12 +0100
      Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 04:01 +1100
        Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
          Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-13 15:24 -0800
          Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 15:39 +1100

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