Re: Schlüssel: Brute force

From	Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz>
Newsgroups	de.sci.electronics
Subject	Re: Schlüssel: Brute force
Date	2024-05-05 20:34 +0200
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Arno Welzel wrote:
> Helmut Schellong, 2024-05-05 12:48:
> 
>> Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Helmut Schellong, 2024-05-04 22:03:
>>>
>>>> Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>>>>> Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> wrote:
>>>>>> Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>>>>> Helmut Schellong, 2024-05-02 12:22:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> Irgendwann sollte man konstatieren, daß Keys mit 256 Bit Breite unknackbar sind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ja - derzeit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .                            Future System Use
>>>>>> Parameter             Legacy Near Term Long Term
>>>>>> Symmetric Key Size k    80      128       256
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Die 'enisa' nennt 256 Bit sicher, auch langzeitig in der Zukunft.
>>>>>> Unabhängig vom Algorithmus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Angabe der Schlüssellänge ohne Angabe des Algorithmus (und der Betriebs-
>>>>> art, z.B. CBC statt ECB) ist relativ aussagefrei.
>>>>
>>>> Das sprichst Du anderen nach.
>>>> Die Information kommt von der enisa, eine EU-Agentur, die auch Kryptologen beschäftigt.
>>>> Die enisa ist etwa das, was in den USA das NIST ist.
>>>> Du weißt es also besser als die Kryptologen der enisa?!
>>>>
>>>> Die enisa sagt aus, daß symmetrische keys mit 256 Bit sicher sind, auch in der Zukunft.
>>>> Unabhängig vom Algorithmus und dessen Modus.
>>>> Das gilt.
>>>> Ich kann das nicht widerlegen - aber Du?
>>>
>>> Es wäre hilfreich, wenn Du diese Aussage mit einer Quelle belegen
>>> würdest, statt sie einfach nur hinzuschreiben und davon auszugehen, dass
>>> das schon niemand anzweifeln wird.
>>
>> Die von mir gezeigte Tabelle aus dem enisa-Dokument ist der Beleg.
> 
> Und wo liegt dieses Dokument? URL?

https://www.enisa.europa.eu/publications/algorithms-key-sizes-and-parameters-report

Rechts auf der Seite ist der neuere Report 2014.
Tabelle auf Seite 41.

|In Table 3.6 we present our explicit key size guidelines.


-- 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Helmut Schellong

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                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-10 09:39 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-10 10:13 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-10 10:58 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-10 12:15 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-10 13:27 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-10 14:27 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-10 17:59 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-12 21:28 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-13 08:50 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-13 10:35 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-05-13 13:19 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-13 15:30 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-05-13 15:07 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-13 14:47 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-10 13:00 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-10 15:02 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-09 15:08 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-09 16:43 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 20:54 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-10 14:04 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-10 16:27 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 20:52 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-09 22:46 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-10 09:41 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-10 14:05 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-10 16:07 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-13 19:08 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-13 20:15 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-10 13:55 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-10 17:53 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 09:59 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-09 20:47 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-10 09:42 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-10 15:00 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 13:19 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marcel Mueller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2024-05-02 19:51 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 20:14 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-05-02 21:17 +0000
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-05-02 20:49 +0000
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-05-03 07:37 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-07 15:18 +0200
  Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-01 19:53 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-01 23:03 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-02 10:00 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 12:22 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 13:20 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 13:52 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 17:11 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 18:29 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 20:19 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-04 13:50 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 17:53 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-04 20:08 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 22:03 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2024-05-04 22:40 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 01:10 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 12:48 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 12:57 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 20:34 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-08 15:21 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-08 19:01 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 10:01 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-09 15:49 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-10 14:15 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-10 16:44 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-13 19:12 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-13 20:48 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-10 18:04 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-10 16:22 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-10 21:25 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-11 12:41 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-11 13:38 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-11 12:41 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-10 21:16 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-11 12:42 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-11 14:12 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-11 14:32 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-11 15:49 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-11 16:37 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-11 16:31 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-11 17:36 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-11 18:48 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-11 21:47 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 01:08 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 12:45 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-05-04 18:34 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 20:08 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-07 17:33 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-07 18:08 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-01 23:19 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Leo Baumann <ib@leobaumann.de> - 2024-05-02 03:10 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-02 10:04 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Axel Berger <Spam@Berger-Odenthal.De> - 2024-05-02 10:36 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-04 19:18 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-04 19:17 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 08:13 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-02 13:13 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Eric Bruecklmeier <u@5i7.de> - 2024-05-02 08:23 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-02 10:05 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2024-05-02 10:24 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Eric Bruecklmeier <u@5i7.de> - 2024-05-02 12:24 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2024-05-02 16:52 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Eric Bruecklmeier <nil@nil.nil> - 2024-05-03 08:29 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-05-02 11:15 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-02 13:16 +0200
  Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-01 23:26 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 00:51 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-02 11:29 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 13:29 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 17:22 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-02 16:28 +0000
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 18:56 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 20:16 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-02 18:22 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-03 10:25 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-03 09:07 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-03 12:33 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-03 11:41 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-04 21:52 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-05 22:09 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-05 20:14 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-06 12:57 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-06 18:53 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-08 15:24 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 18:50 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 20:21 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 23:00 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-03 10:27 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-03 19:40 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-03 20:49 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-03 21:27 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-03 22:15 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2024-05-04 07:00 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-04 08:19 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-04 09:14 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 17:02 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 16:49 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-04 22:13 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-03 21:54 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-04 08:20 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 16:59 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-04 19:31 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 20:36 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-05 08:24 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 20:14 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2024-05-03 20:00 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-03 21:32 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-04 21:55 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 22:39 +0200
  Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-04 12:54 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-04 11:02 +0000
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 17:06 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 01:13 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 12:51 +0200
  Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-04 13:39 +0200

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