Re: Schlüssel: Brute force

From	Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz>
Newsgroups	de.sci.electronics
Subject	Re: Schlüssel: Brute force
Date	2024-05-04 20:08 +0200
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Gerrit Heitsch wrote:
> On 5/4/24 13:50, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Helmut Schellong, 2024-05-02 12:22:
>>
>> [...]
>>> Irgendwann sollte man konstatieren, daß Keys mit 256 Bit Breite unknackbar sind.
>>
>> Ja - derzeit.
> 
> Wenn kein Fehler in AES-256 ist und das Landauer Limit existiert, dann bis in alle Ewigkeit.

DRAGON hat auch 256 Bit.
Ich glaube nicht, daß AES-256 praktisch signifikante Fehler enthält.
Sobald ein Algorithmus auftaucht, versuchen die Kryptologen der Welt, Schwächen zu finden.
AES wurde 2001 vom NIST als Sieger standardisiert und wurde während des Wettbewerbs getestet.
Bisher wurden keine praxisrelevanten Schwächen gefunden, wie berichtet wird.

RABBIT wurde 2003 veröffentlicht.
Bis heute wird geschrieben, daß bisher keine Schwächen gefunden wurden.
Deshalb wurde RABBIT von der enisa 2013 empfohlen für future use long term.
In der neuesten pdf 2014 wird RABBIT abgewertet, wegen eines Angriffs 2013.
RABBIT wird von enisa seitdem nur für legacy use empfohlen.

Ich bin deshalb nicht nervös, weil ich stets 128+64 = 192 Bit key verwende.
Allerdings hatte ich wegen 128 den Algorithmus DRAGON mit 256 Bit ebenfalls implementiert.
Außerdem verwende ich mehrere verschiedene Verschlüsselungen hintereinander.

Es muß folglich auch lange Zeit nach Erscheinen mit einem erfolgreichen Angriff gerechnet werden.
Andererseits sind die Institute (enisa, NIST) auch unterschiedlicher Meinung.
Enisa empfiehlt beispielsweise etwa 15000 Bit bei asymmetrischer Verschlüsselung, während
das NIST hier 2048 Bit für ausreichend hält.
Kann sein, daß enisa wesentlich strenger ist als NIST, und NIST entdeckte Schwächen
für nur theoretisch hält, während enisa diese auch praktisch für signifikant hält.

-- 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Helmut Schellong

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  Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marcel Mueller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2024-05-01 15:58 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Thorsten Böttcher <thorsten_nospam@gmx.net> - 2024-05-01 16:06 +0200
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        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Thorsten Böttcher <thorsten_nospam@gmx.net> - 2024-05-01 17:10 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-01 17:40 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-04 13:20 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2024-05-04 19:20 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 01:00 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-05 19:17 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-01 16:46 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2024-05-02 09:10 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-02 07:14 +0000
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 11:40 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 13:16 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 13:35 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-02 11:38 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 13:55 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-02 12:01 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 14:31 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-02 12:46 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-02 12:47 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 16:00 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 17:06 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 18:03 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 20:11 +0200
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                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-03 10:22 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-03 18:21 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-03 20:47 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-03 21:44 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-04 08:18 +0200
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                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 20:30 +0200
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                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 12:55 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-05 13:24 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-04 20:15 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 22:27 +0200
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        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-06 00:18 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-08 15:09 +0200
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        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 01:02 +0200
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            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 12:53 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 12:38 +0200
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  Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Wolfgang Schmidt <wsc.allmail@web.de> - 2024-05-01 17:42 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-01 17:54 +0200
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                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-05 07:15 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-05 19:00 +0200
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                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-08 13:26 +0000
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                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-10 08:36 +0200
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                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-10 17:59 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-12 21:28 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-13 08:50 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-13 10:35 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-05-13 13:19 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-13 15:30 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-05-13 15:07 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-13 14:47 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-10 13:00 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-10 15:02 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-09 15:08 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-09 16:43 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 20:54 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-10 14:04 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-10 16:27 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 20:52 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-09 22:46 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-10 09:41 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-10 14:05 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-10 16:07 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-10 13:55 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-10 17:53 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 09:59 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-09 20:47 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-10 09:42 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-10 15:00 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 13:19 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marcel Mueller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2024-05-02 19:51 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 20:14 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-05-02 21:17 +0000
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-05-02 20:49 +0000
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-05-03 07:37 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-07 15:18 +0200
  Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-01 19:53 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-01 23:03 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-02 10:00 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 12:22 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 13:20 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 13:52 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 17:11 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 18:29 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 20:19 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-04 13:50 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 17:53 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-04 20:08 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 22:03 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2024-05-04 22:40 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 01:10 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 12:48 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 12:57 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 20:34 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-08 15:21 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-08 19:01 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 10:01 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-09 15:49 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-10 14:15 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-10 16:44 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-10 18:04 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-10 16:22 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-10 21:25 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-11 12:41 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-11 13:38 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-11 12:41 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-10 21:16 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-11 12:42 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-11 14:12 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-11 14:32 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-11 15:49 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-11 16:37 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-11 16:31 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-11 17:36 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-11 18:48 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-11 21:47 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 01:08 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 12:45 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-05-04 18:34 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 20:08 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-07 17:33 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-07 18:08 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-01 23:19 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Leo Baumann <ib@leobaumann.de> - 2024-05-02 03:10 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-02 10:04 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Axel Berger <Spam@Berger-Odenthal.De> - 2024-05-02 10:36 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-04 19:18 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-04 19:17 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 08:13 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-02 13:13 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Eric Bruecklmeier <u@5i7.de> - 2024-05-02 08:23 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-02 10:05 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2024-05-02 10:24 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Eric Bruecklmeier <u@5i7.de> - 2024-05-02 12:24 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2024-05-02 16:52 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Eric Bruecklmeier <nil@nil.nil> - 2024-05-03 08:29 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-05-02 11:15 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-02 13:16 +0200
  Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-01 23:26 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 00:51 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-02 11:29 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 13:29 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 17:22 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-02 16:28 +0000
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 18:56 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 20:16 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-02 18:22 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-03 10:25 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-03 09:07 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-03 12:33 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-03 11:41 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-04 21:52 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-05 22:09 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-05 20:14 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-06 12:57 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-06 18:53 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-08 15:24 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 18:50 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 20:21 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 23:00 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-03 10:27 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-03 19:40 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-03 20:49 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-03 21:27 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-03 22:15 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2024-05-04 07:00 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-04 08:19 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-04 09:14 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 17:02 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 16:49 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-04 22:13 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-03 21:54 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-04 08:20 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 16:59 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-04 19:31 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 20:36 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-05 08:24 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 20:14 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2024-05-03 20:00 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-03 21:32 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-04 21:55 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 22:39 +0200
  Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-04 12:54 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-04 11:02 +0000
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 17:06 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 01:13 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 12:51 +0200
  Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-04 13:39 +0200

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