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Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border

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Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> writes:
> In article <yob4o6bvvi7.fsf@panix1.panix.com>,
>  BreadWithSpam@fractious.net wrote:
>
>> > One way to limit access to sensitive information while traveling is to 
>> > keep it on a secure cloud server, such as DropBox, and only access it 
>> > over a secure connection. Thus, nothing resides on your local disk. 
>> 
>> DropBox, without the encrypted disk image, will do you no good.
>> DropBox (at least on a Mac, as opposed to an iPad or iPhone)
>> explicitly keeps a copy of everything locally.  DropBox copies

> Sounds like you're talking about installing the entire Dropbox software 
> package which does do this. I'm suggesting just uploading and 
> downloading individual files/folders/disk images using a browser. That 

Then you're wasting your time and using not the right tool.

If you're going to send something back and forth to the cloud
through your web browser and then try to scrub your local drive
to get rid of all traces of it after every use, you're just not
doing it right.

As I said, you can keep an encrypted filesystem on your local
drive and, if you're concerned about the bad guys stealing
your computer and losing it, have the container for that
encrypted filesystem synced to the net.  For example, keep an
encrypted sparse-bundle disk image in your Dropbox and use
Dropbox *as it was intended*.

Alternatively, keep your data on a remotely mounted WebDAV
server with an encrypted back end and secure connection.

> mechanism does NOT keep local copies unless you leave the original on 
> your hard drive. As I suggested to Tom, installing the Dropbox software 
> package may be asking for trouble.

Using Dropbox but not actually installing it means you're
not using it right and you're probably asking for trouble
in that your data will still leave traces on your local
drive unless you go out of your way to expunge it - and
you're likely to screw up synchronization anyway.

If you're talking about, say, using Dropbox normally at
home and simply not installing it on the laptop you take
with you for travel and only accessing a single file or
two from it once in a while, you may be making sense.  But
that's no way to really work, I think.

Seriously - what's wrong with an encrypted disk image?

If the government really wants my data so badly that they
are going to spend the resources to decrypt my encrypted
disk image, I'm almost certainly in a lot more trouble to
begin with than it's worth worrying about.

And if they aren't going to waste those resources but
simply confiscate my hardware, well, all that data is
synced securely and backed up in multiple places.

Meanwhile, even though Dropbox is leaving a local copy
on my laptop hard drive, that data is, in fact, encrypted.

What more are you looking for here?


-- 
Plain Bread alone for e-mail, thanks.  The rest gets trashed.

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Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-06 13:31 -0400
  Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-06 13:04 -0500
    Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-06 14:39 -0400
      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-06 16:13 -0400
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-06 16:37 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Tom Harrington <tph@pcisys.no.spam.dammit.net> - 2011-04-06 16:44 -0600
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-07 11:40 -0400
              Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Tom Harrington <tph@pcisys.no.spam.dammit.net> - 2011-04-07 14:57 -0600
      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) - 2011-04-06 17:58 -0400
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2011-04-06 15:41 -0700
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) - 2011-04-07 08:40 -0400
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-07 08:55 -0400
              Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-04-07 08:38 -0700
              Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) - 2011-04-07 13:11 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-07 11:47 -0400
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-07 11:43 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border BreadWithSpam@fractious.net - 2011-04-07 13:04 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) - 2011-04-07 13:13 -0400
            [OT] Warrantless Computer Searches at Border John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2011-04-08 12:40 -0700
              Re: [OT] Warrantless Computer Searches at Border Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-08 14:52 -0500
              Re: [OT] Warrantless Computer Searches at Border JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-08 16:30 -0400
      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border BreadWithSpam@fractious.net - 2011-04-06 18:57 -0400
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-07 11:52 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border BreadWithSpam@fractious.net - 2011-04-07 13:00 -0400
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-08 00:27 -0400
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-09 12:48 -0400
              Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-09 14:18 -0400
                Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-09 15:04 -0400
                Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-09 15:50 -0400
      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-06 21:04 -0500
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-07 12:02 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2011-04-07 09:44 -0700
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-09 12:52 -0400
    Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-09 19:43 +0200
  Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-08 18:00 -0400
    Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2011-04-08 16:54 -0700
      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2011-04-08 17:28 -0700
      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-08 22:12 -0500
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-09 03:51 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-09 08:00 -0400
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-09 19:28 +0200
              Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-10 09:22 -0400
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border pf@porkain'tkosher.oink (Paul Fuchs) - 2011-04-10 13:45 -0700
              Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-10 18:01 -0400
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-09 07:50 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-09 22:49 -0500
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-10 02:49 -0400
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2011-04-10 08:13 -0400
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-10 08:45 -0400
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-10 09:32 -0400
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-09 16:34 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-09 22:58 -0500
      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-09 07:45 -0400
      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-09 13:27 -0400
    Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-09 19:11 +0200

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