Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border

From	Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border
Date	2011-04-09 22:49 -0500
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On 11-04-09 6:50 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

> The warrantless search in this case would never have passed had the
> search been done, for instance, by the police in Omaha. So the
> constitution is not interpreted the same as it is "inside" the borders.

The point I was making is that the searches are borders are 
justified/rationalized based on the government's right to regulate 
trade. So the searches at the border, in principle, should be limited to 
things that government by customs enforcement.

So yes, borders are different, but it's not that the Constitution is 
treated differently in the different locations, it's that customs 
searches (as presumably authorized by the Constitution) can happen at 
boarders. The same excuse can't be used in Omaha.

The problem is that things that have been criminalized domestically have 
also been added to the list of things that can't be imported. I simply 
don't know what the case law is here, but I would hope that someone who 
is caught at the boarder importing, say, marijuana, would only be 
charged with the federal crime of importing the stuff and not with 
crimes having to do with possessing it, as the search was only allowed 
because of import restrictions.

>> Also there are very few cases where the Constitution would distinguish
>> between US soil or foreign soil. It is possible to clear US customs and
>> immigration in various Canadian airports. Presumably the US customs
>> officials there have no more rights to search people entering the US
>> there than in US airports.
>
> OTOH, if one is caught doing something illegal entering the US at a
> Canadian airport, then that person is turned over to Canadian police and
> is charged in Canada under Canadian law.

Again, this isn't the US Constitution treating things differently in 
different places. This is an issue of Canadian law.

Cheers,

-j

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          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-09 22:49 -0500
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