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Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border

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Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> writes:

> In article <903o9mFos0U1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> wrote:
>
>> On 11-04-06 12:31 PM, Fred Moore wrote:
>> > <http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/04/border-search/>

>> And back to topic, 
>
> It's not off topic, Jeffrey, since Mac users have been known to enter 
> the US with their laptops, cell pphones, or iThingies, all of which are 
> subject to this search and/or seizure.

Without actually talking about Mac-specific issues, it WAS
off-topic.

Thanks, Jeff, for bringing it back on-topic.

>> OS X provides a mechanism to encrypt disk images. I 
>> do not know whether such searches would require you to decrypt those.
>
> I have had no personal experience with this, but from what I have read:  
> Yes, they can seize the device and never return it if you refuse to 
> provide access to anything encrypted. This has been done. They can also 

Which is reason to (a) encrypt and (b) back up.  Consider, for
example, keeping an encrypted disk-image (DiskUtil or perhaps
via TrueCrypt for cross-platform compatibility) in a DropBox
folder.

> Since Agile's 1Password is well respected, I'm sure Knox for Mac must be 
> a good product too.

I've been very happy with 1Password - I'd heard so many good things
and when it was included as part of a bundle (MacUpdate or somesuch),
I grabbed it and have been very pleased.

> However, even if you use an encrypted disk image or equivalent, the 
> unencrypted information will be written to your hard drive and be 
> recoverable if it is not securely overwritten either by the system or 
> another utility.

The encrypted disk image, with a good password, is your best
best.

> One way to limit access to sensitive information while traveling is to 
> keep it on a secure cloud server, such as DropBox, and only access it 
> over a secure connection. Thus, nothing resides on your local disk. 

DropBox, without the encrypted disk image, will do you no good.
DropBox (at least on a Mac, as opposed to an iPad or iPhone)
explicitly keeps a copy of everything locally.  DropBox copies
from your local copy up to the net.  It is not really useful
for keeping copies *only* on the net.  You could proably make
do with some WebDAV solution, but DropBox is not what you seem
to think it is.



-- 
Plain Bread alone for e-mail, thanks.  The rest gets trashed.

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Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-06 13:31 -0400
  Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-06 13:04 -0500
    Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-06 14:39 -0400
      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-06 16:13 -0400
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-06 16:37 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Tom Harrington <tph@pcisys.no.spam.dammit.net> - 2011-04-06 16:44 -0600
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-07 11:40 -0400
              Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Tom Harrington <tph@pcisys.no.spam.dammit.net> - 2011-04-07 14:57 -0600
      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) - 2011-04-06 17:58 -0400
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2011-04-06 15:41 -0700
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) - 2011-04-07 08:40 -0400
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-07 08:55 -0400
              Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-04-07 08:38 -0700
              Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) - 2011-04-07 13:11 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-07 11:47 -0400
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-07 11:43 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border BreadWithSpam@fractious.net - 2011-04-07 13:04 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) - 2011-04-07 13:13 -0400
            [OT] Warrantless Computer Searches at Border John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2011-04-08 12:40 -0700
              Re: [OT] Warrantless Computer Searches at Border Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-08 14:52 -0500
              Re: [OT] Warrantless Computer Searches at Border JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-08 16:30 -0400
      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border BreadWithSpam@fractious.net - 2011-04-06 18:57 -0400
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-07 11:52 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border BreadWithSpam@fractious.net - 2011-04-07 13:00 -0400
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-08 00:27 -0400
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-09 12:48 -0400
              Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-09 14:18 -0400
                Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-09 15:04 -0400
                Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-09 15:50 -0400
      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-06 21:04 -0500
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-07 12:02 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2011-04-07 09:44 -0700
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-09 12:52 -0400
    Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-09 19:43 +0200
  Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-08 18:00 -0400
    Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2011-04-08 16:54 -0700
      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2011-04-08 17:28 -0700
      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-08 22:12 -0500
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-09 03:51 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-09 08:00 -0400
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-09 19:28 +0200
              Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-10 09:22 -0400
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border pf@porkain'tkosher.oink (Paul Fuchs) - 2011-04-10 13:45 -0700
              Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-10 18:01 -0400
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-09 07:50 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-09 22:49 -0500
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-10 02:49 -0400
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2011-04-10 08:13 -0400
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-10 08:45 -0400
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-10 09:32 -0400
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-09 16:34 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-09 22:58 -0500
      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-09 07:45 -0400
      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-09 13:27 -0400
    Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-09 19:11 +0200

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