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Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border

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On 11-04-08 6:54 PM, Paul Magnussen wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:

>> Borders are special places where the certainty that you are under
>> protective clauses (of, eg, the US Constitution) is vague at best.

> Either the border is in the US or it is not. If it is, then the
> Constitution applies. If it is not, then where do the searchers get
> their power to search from?

I believe that provisions in the Constitution that allow the federal 
government to regulate trade are the basis for court decisions that have 
supported searches of people entering the country.

We may all have opinions about how the courts treated that balance, but 
it is almost always a mistake to treat one clause of the Constitution as 
trumping all others. TSA searches for domestic or outbound flights, 
however, can not be justified based on regulation of trade.

Also there are very few cases where the Constitution would distinguish 
between US soil or foreign soil. It is possible to clear US customs and 
immigration in various Canadian airports. Presumably the US customs 
officials there have no more rights to search people entering the US 
there than in US airports.

Oh, and I am talking out of my ass here. I don't have any particular 
expertise, so just because I express these views with some air of 
confidence shouldn't mean much.

Cheers,

-j


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  Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-06 13:04 -0500
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          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-09 08:00 -0400
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