Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border

Date	2011-04-09 08:00 -0400
From	Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
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Subject	Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border
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On 2011-04-09 3:51 AM, JF Mezei wrote:
> Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:
>
>> Also there are very few cases where the Constitution would distinguish
>> between US soil or foreign soil. It is possible to clear US customs and
>> immigration in various Canadian airports. Presumably the US customs
>> officials there have no more rights to search people entering the US
>> there than in US airports.
>
> Actually, the US customs/immigration agents working at Canadian airports
> have fewer powers because, while working on a "theoretical" US soil,
> they are still on Canadian soil and must abide by our constitution. And
> they do not have the power to arrest people, they must call the airport
> police/RCMP to detain someone who is then put through canadian law
> process outside fo USA jurisdiction. And there are also cases where the
> person may have done something which is illegal in the USA but legal in
> Canada, at which point, canadian police would not arrest the person.
>
> So the USA agents are more likely to just let the person through, and
> ensure there is police at the gate when the plane lands in the USA.

No.  Part of the agreement to have US customs at Canadian airports is 
that they must turn people over to the Canadian police.

That said for ordinary criminals, I do wonder if they might play the 
game you outline for a wanted terrorist.

> At
> that point, the person is fuylly under USA jurisdiction and can be
> arrested according to USA law. This issue became quite noticeable since
> the Bush Jr regime and its Patriot Act where so many were taken to
> prison without charge.
>
> For instance, Maher Arar, a canadian, was transiting through JFK to get
> back to Canada. They allowed him into the USA and once done immediatly
> detained him without charge and transported him to Syria where he was
> tortured.

That's not the same as entering the US from Canada.

That's entering the US for the purpose of changing planes to Canada. 
The US is odd in that way, mostly due to the terminals at airports like 
JFK.  You can't enter JFK for transit to another country without going 
through customs.

You can land at Amsterdam from North America and change flights to 
Africa or the Middle East (for example) without going through Dutch 
customs.  Same for Frankfurt.

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              Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-09 14:18 -0400
                Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-09 15:04 -0400
                Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-09 15:50 -0400
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      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2011-04-08 17:28 -0700
      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-08 22:12 -0500
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-09 03:51 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-09 08:00 -0400
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-09 19:28 +0200
              Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-10 09:22 -0400
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              Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-10 18:01 -0400
        Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-09 07:50 -0400
          Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-09 22:49 -0500
            Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-10 02:49 -0400
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      Re: Appeals Court Strengthens Warrantless Searches at Border Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-09 13:27 -0400
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