Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem

From	Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.apps, comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem
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References	(6 earlier) <siegman-7CA871.07032315042011@bmedcfsc-srv02.tufts.ad.tufts.edu> <fmoore-FE2B76.11373115042011@mx02.eternal-september.org> <2JednZAWHdE26jXQnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <paul.nospam-2DF221.17102417042011@pbook.sture.ch> <timmcn-0F3A78.11294117042011@news.iphouse.com>
Date	2011-04-18 10:20 +0200
Message-ID	<paul.nospam-AFAB9B.10200318042011@pbook.sture.ch> (permalink)

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In article <timmcn-0F3A78.11294117042011@news.iphouse.com>,
 Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:

> In article <paul.nospam-2DF221.17102417042011@pbook.sture.ch>,
>  Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> 
> > In article <2JednZAWHdE26jXQnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> >  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> > 
> > > As to servers, it's a commodity market where there is competition 
> > > outside the Apple walls that businesses can't ignore on an 
> > > immediate capital outlay basis.
> > 
> > The server market is not just a commodity market, though that does 
> > make up a significant chunk of it.
> > 
> > Oracle and Cisco are now making moves into the server market, and 
> > then there are all the cloud offerings from Amazon, Google, VMware, 
> > Microsoft, none of whom have been hardware suppliers in the past (OK 
> > VMware belongs to EMC now).
> 
> And some kind of cloud service probably pending from Apple, given that 
> they have built a new giant data center in the past year and may be 
> building another one, IIRC.  Whether they are positioning themselves to 
> do some kind of enterprise cloud service remains to be seen.

I'd forgotten about that.

> Funny that the PC revolution has come full circle and is now looking 
> more and more like the old IBM model of terminals on a mainframe.  If 
> you keep thinking different long enough, I guess you end up back where 
> you started...

In the same way that we moved from block mode IBM terminals (send a 
whole screen of data, then validate it) to asynchronous serial terminals 
where you could validate on a field by field basis, we have now moved to 
AJAX (asynchronous JavaScript and XML), which can do the same.

And there's been a lot of talk lately about virtual desktops.  The 
killer for that years ago was bandwidth, but we have that now.

We've come full circle, except now we have pretty graphics.

But it's got so complex on the way that very few if anybody at all can 
understand all the components in depth.

-- 
Paul Sture

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  Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-13 07:55 -0500
    Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-13 15:56 -0400
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                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 18:41 +0200
                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-18 12:37 -0400
                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2011-04-15 23:55 -0700
                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-17 07:48 -0400
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                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-18 12:20 -0400
                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-18 13:18 -0400
                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-19 09:00 -0400
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                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 17:52 +0200
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                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-18 09:56 +0200
                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-18 07:58 -0500
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              Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-14 21:26 -0700
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                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-19 09:06 -0400
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          Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-14 20:25 -0400
            OS X and the iToy ecosystem AES <siegman@stanford.edu> - 2011-04-15 07:03 -0700
              Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-15 09:58 -0500
                Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-15 16:37 -0400
              Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 08:12 -0700
                Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem AES <siegman@stanford.edu> - 2011-04-15 11:10 -0700
                Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-15 16:38 -0400
                Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-15 17:54 -0400
                Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 14:56 -0700
                Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-15 19:27 -0400
                Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 22:32 -0700
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                Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2011-04-17 11:29 -0500
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                Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2011-04-19 02:58 +0000
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                Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-17 12:37 -0400
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          Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 16:58 +0200
      Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider BreadWithSpam@fractious.net - 2011-04-13 21:04 -0400
        Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 16:49 +0200
          Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-17 12:29 -0400
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      Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-14 08:29 -0500
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        Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-13 18:20 -0400
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                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-15 12:12 -0400
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                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 22:29 -0700
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                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> - 2011-04-16 17:04 +0100
                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 16:13 +0200
              Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) - 2011-04-16 01:17 +0000
              Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 16:10 +0200
          Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-14 07:16 -0700
          Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-14 16:04 -0400
          Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 16:03 +0200
        Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-14 16:03 -0400
          Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 07:43 -0400
            Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 15:52 +0200
              Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 16:56 +0000
                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-19 12:42 +0200
    Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-14 10:52 +0000
    Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-14 08:35 -0500
  Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-13 21:35 -0400
    Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-04-13 22:04 -0400
      Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-13 23:01 -0400
      Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-14 02:41 -0400
        Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-04-15 23:40 -0400
          Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-16 00:59 -0400
        Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-04-15 23:42 -0400
        Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 15:45 +0200
      Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 15:43 +0200
    Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Sander Tekelenburg <user@domain.invalid> - 2011-04-14 05:23 +0200
      Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 15:37 +0200
        Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-17 12:20 -0400
    Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-13 20:24 -0700
      Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2011-04-14 21:02 +1200
        Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 15:31 +0200
          Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-04-17 06:47 -0700
            Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 18:34 +0200
          Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 10:09 -0400
            Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-17 12:33 -0400
              Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-04-17 09:46 -0700
                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 15:59 -0400
                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 23:19 +0200
                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-04-17 15:02 -0700
                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-17 17:44 -0500
                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-18 12:43 -0400
                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-18 12:41 -0400
              Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 17:29 +0000
              Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 23:17 +0200
            Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 18:30 +0200
              Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 15:58 -0400
                Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 23:10 +0200
      Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> - 2011-04-14 10:04 +0100
        Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-14 06:50 -0400
          Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2011-04-15 00:39 +1200
    Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2011-04-14 17:45 +0000
      Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 14:53 +0200
    Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-14 16:25 -0400
  Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 14:45 +0200

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