Re: Unable to boot up an old 15" MBP (2008)'s Mac OS X v10.5.8/LEOPARD...

Subject	Re: Unable to boot up an old 15" MBP (2008)'s Mac OS X v10.5.8/LEOPARD...
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From	Ant <ant@zimage.comANT>
Organization	An Ant Farm
Date	2017-02-19 11:52 -0800
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On 2/19/2017 11:44 AM, David Empson wrote:
> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>
>> On 2/19/2017 10:49 AM, Ant wrote:
>>> On 2/19/2017 10:24 AM, Ant wrote:
>>>> On 2/19/2017 10:15 AM, Ant wrote:
>>>>> OK, back to work on this old 15" early 2008 MBP. There were issues I ran
>>>>> into with the external WDC 2 TB USB HDD with MBP's Mac OS X v10.5.2
>>>>> DVDs:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. It didn't want to see the drive, but eventually it worked. Weird.
>>>>> 2. It did not like the partition setups like my FAT32, so I had to redo
>>>>> it with its HFS Journal.
>>>>> 3. I couldn't reinstall into the old MBP's HDD with its installed and
>>>>> updated Mac OS X v10.5.8 because of the versions (can't install older
>>>>> over newer). So I would have to wipe it if I wanted to reinstall it.
>>>>> Don't have a newer Mac OS X version yet. I'll worry about it later. I am
>>>>> not touching the internal HDD yet.
>
> Items 2 and 3 are expected. "Not seeing the drive" has too many possible
> explanations to analyze.

OK.


>>>>> Currently, the installer is slowly verifying the DVDs are OK before
>>>>> installing the OS. Weird that I can't move my trackpad cursor.
>
> Being unable to move the cursor with the trackpad is NOT normal.

It seems to only happen when MBP's display sleeps and after waking up 
from idling too long. It's like caused by energy saving? I can't figure 
out how to disable it in Mac OS X/Leopard v10.5.2 if it exists. I am 
assuming it doesn't. :(


>>>>> The video shows its status bar animating and percentage going up
>>>>> slowly though. I hope I don't run into more issues (always do :() and
>>>>> that this old MBP can boot from it too after it is done.
>>>>>
>>>>> To be continued...
>>>>
>>>> Uh oh. MBP's display dimmed after and then went black (energy saving I
>>>> assume from idling). I can't seem to wake it up.
>
> Apart from the trackpad problem, did you try the keyboard as well? The
> keyboard and trackpad are actually part of the same internal USB
> peripheral in many Mac notebook models, so if one was misbehaving, the
> other might as well.

Yeah. Ah, interesting. Sharing. Power button woke it up though. Hmm, 
this sounds like a hardware issue then.

>
>>>> I don't know if is still running? I still feel heat from the keyboard
>>>> and hear its fan(s), so it is doing something? I don't hear and feel
>>>> the DVD spinning. How do I wake it up or even disable this monitor
>>>> sleep during DVD installer? :(
>>>
>>> Ah, pressing power button once wakes it up
>
> The power button is connected separately from the rest of the keyboard,
> and has a direct line to the system management controller (e.g. to power
> on and do forced power off), so that probably was able to wake the
> computer even though the keyboard and trackpad weren't working.

Ah, that explains it.


>>> but I still can't move my cursor. Also, my install failed and I noticed
>>> my USB HDD's power light was off (disconnected?). :( I will have to try
>>> again. Argh!
>>
>> Installing with take about a couple hours. MBP likes to dim and then
>> probably turn off its display. Trackpad's mouse cursor still works. I
>> think it goes off when the display goes off?
>
> No, the trackpad should keep working after the display goes off (it
> should be possible to wake the display with a keypress or button click,
> then move the cursor with the trackpad). There could be some kind of
> intermittent fault which is either affecting USB input devices
> collectively, or a specific fault with the internal trackpad and
> keyboard. There could also be a software problem, e.g. if 10.5.2 had a
> bug which resulted in USB problems including losing connection with the
> keyboard/trackpad (I don't recall that, but early 10.5.x did have a fair
> number of serious bugs).

That's probably it. :(


> Do you have an external USB mouse and/or keyboard you can plug in? (Any
> brand - they don't have to be Apple ones.) If the trackpad locks up
> again (and the built-in keyboard along with it) you could try the
> external ones to see whether the problem is specific to the internal
> ones.

No to external USB kb, but yes to USB mouse. I am trying to keep things 
simple without interferences.
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