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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.sys.mac.system |
| Subject | Re: Mac Malware |
| Date | 2017-03-15 00:14 +0000 |
| Organization | People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates |
| Message-ID | <eirfbhFkt2uU2@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (5 earlier) <1n2tehq.15tobgy1fghra5N%dcohenspam@talktalk.net> <eiqg0lFf0hbU1@mid.individual.net> <oa9p7j$tgv$1@news.albasani.net> <eir87rFjubnU1@mid.individual.net> <oa9r8a$tin$1@news.albasani.net> |
On 2017-03-14, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > On 2017-03-14 22:13:15 +0000, Jolly Roger said: >> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: >>> On 2017-03-14 15:19:49 +0000, Jolly Roger said: >>> >>>> Yep, I'm sure of it. They are NOT to be trusted. >>> >>> I've used them for about four years and have had no problems with >>> adware. >> >> You are a paying customer, right? > > No. At some point in the past I was a subscriber, I believe. Subscriber? Meaning you paid them money? What makes you think they couldn't have purposefully give paying customers ad-free isntallers while giving non-paying visitors adware-infested installers? > Since then I have only used the app occasionally to see what needed > updating.i My point was you *paid* for MacUpdate Desktop - it's *not* free. BTW, I don't suppose you ever saw an ad for MacKeeper (a well-known Mac malware trojan) while using MacUpdate Desktop? Others surely have: <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7198413> Others have noticed that MacUpdate actually omitted adware from paying customer downloads: "Update (Nov. 3, 2015): It turns out that this is now a “feature” of MacUpdate. If you are a paid member of MacUpdate and are logged in, you won’t see the adware installers. If you are not logged in, you will see them. This is evidently configurable in the profile preferences on a paid MacUpdate account, though not having such an account, I can’t provide specifics." <https://blog.malwarebytes.com/cybercrime/2015/11/has-macupdate-fallen-to-the-adware-plague/> > They have recently changed their modus operandi and are now charging > $20/6 mo. for their service. Too little, too late, IMO. Fucking their visitors by bundling adware in installers downloaded from their web site, and pushing malware like MacKeeper on their paying customer, means they *cannot* and *will* not be trusted by me. They've burned themselves for eternity in my eyes. >> IIRC, they don't foist adware installers on their paying customers >> (oh, how gracious of them to extort money just for ad-free >> installers! Praise be!). >> >>> A couple of years ago they were messing up some downloads though, >>> leaving the program inoperable. "I’ve also been told that the MacUpdate Desktop app will download the real app rather than the adware installer, though I’m unclear as to whether that only applies to a paid copy of MacUpdate Desktop." <https://blog.malwarebytes.com/cybercrime/2015/11/has-macupdate-fallen-to-the-adware-plague/> >> They are still bundling adware in their downloaded installers: >> >> <https://blog.malwarebytes.com/cybercrime/2015/11/has-macupdate-fallen-to-the-adware-plague/> >> >> >> <http://mjtsai.com/blog/2015/11/04/macupdate-adware-installers/> > > I searched for "adware" at the MacUpdate support page and instructions > on this Yahoo installer was the only information I got. That's not proof that they don't bundle adware with installers downloaded from their website; rather it's proof that their support department was likely so inundated by calls for help and complaints by visitors about them bundling Yahoo adware in their installers that they decided to create a support page for it. I've actually downloaded adware-infested installers from MacUpdate. I saw, with my own two eyes, the adware they had purposely bundled with their installer. They took the time to create their own "MacUpdate Installer" containing the original software developer's installer package and adding adware installer packages to it. So I know it's not a grand conspiracy - it happened. And as soon as I saw that, they permanently lost my respect. > Perhaps their complicity in this download is to be considered. Which download would that be? It's interesting they don't bother to mention which downloaded installers contain the Yahoo search assist adware they foisted on their unsuspecting victims. Wonder why they'd omit that important detail... ; ) >>> For this reason I started using their system only to *find out* >>> which of my apps needed updating, and then updating them myself. >> >> The only way I recommend using macupdate or any other software >> tracking site is to use it strictly as a reference and go directly to >> the source to actually download the software. >> >>> They managed to correct that issue and so for about two years I've >>> let them do the updating of apps directly. So you trust them even though they have a proven track record of unscrupulous behavior, and as soon as they decide to bundle adware in an installer you download from them, you're toast. Sucker. ; ) >> Yep - paying customer. MacUpdate Desktop isn't free last I checked, >> right?' > > Not any more, no. They ended it only a week or so ago. > >>> Again no issues. >> >> You'll need to try it without being logged in and after deleting all >> of their cookies to see the adware infested installers. And you'd >> have to download them directly from the web site rather than through >> MacUpdate Desktop. > > It's very rare that I would go to MacUpdate's page directly to > download an update for a program; I tend to go to the software > company's page directly. You said above you also use their MacUpdate Desktop app to download updates. Where do you think those come from - some website *other* than MacUpdate? : ) > I always appreciate your recommendations, and certainly give them > great credibility. But it does make me wonder how MacUpdate could have > financial arrangements with so many significant software companies > with their "bundleware" discounts if they produced adware > installations. The adware installers weren't used for every single piece of software. From what I've read, it was mainly for popular titles. And for all we know, they excluded adware from installers for software developers who participated in MacUpdate Bundle promotions, just like they did for paying customers. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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