Re: Activity Monitor: memory question

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: Activity Monitor: memory question
Date	2015-10-26 16:36 +0000
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JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2015-10-25 18:45, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
>> I'm still running Yosemite at the moment. You don't just select the
>> process and click the quit button in El Capitan?
> 
> Which button is that ? Some of the unlabelled button that I have no idea
> what they will do if I click on them ? Used to be that Apple's GUI was
> very good at indicating what a button would do.

Hovering over the button tells you what it does - in this case, "Force a
process to quit". Seems very straightforward to me. 

> I assume you are refering to the "X" button. 

You know this because it has been the same button for years. Nothing has
changed in a long time.

> Will that give me a choice
> to kill or send a stop request to the process or just kill it ? There is
> no indicatiobn of what it will do. For all I know the "X button just
> closes the window.

It has given you that choice for years, and it has not changed in El
Capitan as far as I know.

> Apple should be using precise terminology in this app, not dumbed down
> words or meaningless icons.

It's pretty clear what the (X) button does.

>> I would have thought perhaps since it's a helper service it got
>> restarted automatically.
> 
> I had quit the main Spotify App which took only a few megabytes. But the
> "helper" stayed and kept using over 1 GB.

You assumed quitting Spotify would also quit the helper. Bad assumption.

>> I haven't ever seen that happen up to and including Yosemite.
> 
> I consistently get the spinning beach ball in Activity Monitor. Even
> going from one pull down menu to the next. I am not seeing such probelm
> in other apps.

So not a systemwide issue then.

>> How come? You think that's somehow related to Spotify or Activity Monitor
>> misbehaving? 
> 
> I'd rather the system page to disk and give that 5gigs to my apps
> instead of reserving 5 gigs for a RAM based page file. 

Ah, so you are just babysitting. I've got better things to do, so I tend to
wait until I see an actual problem that prevents me from getting shit does
before I babysit the system.

> And since I have
> an old Mac Pro, perhaps my CPU's speed doesn't make "memory compression"
> such a good thing anyways. 

I have a 2008 Mac Pro and haven't noticed any such thing. 

> It may be good for faster CPUs that can
> compress memory as Apple intended.

Nah. These are very fast CPUs, even today.

>> If I have 24 GB of physical RAM on my machine, I'm not going to worry
>> about a relatively small amount being compressed and swapped, if there
>> are no other major system issues evident.
> 
> 5 gigs of compressed, and 2 gigs paged to disk is not such a trivial
> amount

It is compared to 24 GB.

> and there is no explanation why Apple thinks this is perfectly
> fine and represents no memory pressure.

Don't lie. You already said memory pressure showed approximately 1/3rd
pressure.

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Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-25 16:58 -0400
  Re: Activity Monitor: memory question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-25 17:01 -0400
    Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-25 17:24 -0400
      Re: Activity Monitor: memory question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-25 18:19 -0400
      Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-25 22:33 +0000
      Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-26 06:32 +0000
        Re: Activity Monitor: memory question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-26 08:21 -0400
          Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-26 16:53 +0000
        Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 16:47 +0000
    Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-25 17:28 -0700
  Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-25 22:45 +0000
    Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-25 22:16 -0400
      Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 16:36 +0000
        Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-26 15:57 -0400
          Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 20:36 +0000
          Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-26 21:16 +0000
            Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-26 17:48 -0400
              Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 22:07 +0000
        Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 13:10 -0700
          Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 20:39 +0000
            Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-26 17:10 -0400
              Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 21:19 +0000
              Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 21:36 +0000
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-26 18:56 -0400
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 16:01 -0700
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-26 19:08 -0400
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-26 23:56 -0400
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 21:30 -0700
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 06:40 +0000
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-27 03:16 -0400
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 07:48 +0000
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-27 08:20 -0400
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-10-27 12:10 -0400
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-10-27 11:28 -0500
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-27 23:57 +0000
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-27 20:26 -0400
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-27 08:23 -0400
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 00:13 +0000
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-26 18:29 -0700
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 01:44 +0000
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-10-26 21:22 -0400
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 18:29 -0700
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-10-26 21:32 -0400
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 01:44 +0000
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 18:49 -0700
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-27 00:05 -0400
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 06:46 +0000
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-27 03:19 -0400
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 07:55 +0000
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-27 14:09 +0000
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 18:50 -0700
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 01:39 +0000
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 18:50 -0700
            Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 14:23 -0700
              Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 14:40 -0700
              Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 21:41 +0000
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 21:51 +0000
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 15:07 -0700
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 15:49 -0700
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-27 05:49 +0000
      Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 19:06 +0000
        Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 13:07 -0700
  Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-26 06:29 +0000
    Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-26 02:55 -0400
      Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-26 16:52 +0000
        Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-26 15:59 -0400
          Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-26 21:12 +0000
            Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-10-26 21:18 -0400
              Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-27 04:57 +0000
        Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-26 18:42 -0400
          Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 22:45 +0000
            Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-26 19:20 -0400
              Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 00:07 +0000
            Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-26 23:50 -0400
              Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 06:28 +0000
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-27 03:09 -0400
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 07:43 +0000
                Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-27 14:05 +0000
          Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-27 04:59 +0000

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