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Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms

Subject	Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms
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From	Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date	2017-03-07 13:10 -0500
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On 2017-03-07 12:22, chrisv wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> And those computers offered by various mainline manufacturers that were
>> cheaper because they came pre-installed with Linux.  That should have
>> helped.  Hasn't.  At all.  (Dell, HP, IBM).
>
> After volume discounts and bundleware kick-backs, the "cost" of
> Windows to OEM's is very little.  Indeed, Micro$oft "incentives" often
> make systems with Windows cost LESS that systems without it!

Offer some proof with that claim.

>> OTOH, Linux in the form of Android has overwhelmed the mobile market;
>
> The mobile market was still young, and had room for a lower-cost,
> higher-choice alternative to iOS.  A deep-pocketed corporate sponsor
> was able to implement a business plan that would not have worked in
> the quite-different desktop software market.
>
> All this needs to be explained to you, huh?  I guess what they say
> about the typical Mac user is true.

I am about as atypical as they get.  You fall true to self-conscious 
Linux ass hat form with yet another ad hominem attack, however.

Wow! I toss up a great example of where Linux dominates (and 
appropriately so since those copycat hardware makers had no s/w platform 
of their own to offer).  At that, despite saving millions (10's , 100's, 
more?) they still can't make margins!

>> it has overwhelmed the embedded and supercomputer markets while being major
>> contributors to the servers and database markets.
>
> Which demonstrares that there is something exceptional about the
> desktop OS market.  It's swung so far to one vendor, that no one else
> has much of a chance.  That includes Apple, which barely makes a dent.

$20B a year in Mac sales alone is a nice dent.  Especially at Apple's 
margins!  This has grown steadily over the past 20 years - moreso since 
Apple's switch to intel.  (13M units in 2010; 20M units in 2015).

In desktop, Mac OS has an 11% share v. <2% for Linux (based on various 
web trackers).

11% is a dent.  <2% is a scratch.

M$ total revenue was a mere $85B in 2016.  And that covers a lot more 
than Windows.

Meanwhile, Linux desktop continues to fall as an overall percentage. 
With Linux being a "comer" for the past 20 years, that's not all that 
encouraging...

-- 
"If war is God's way of teaching Americans geography, then
recession is His way of teaching everyone a little economics."
   ..Raj Patel, The Value of Nothing.

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Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms "Wally" <wwally_5@sun.com> - 2017-03-06 07:36 +0100
  Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-03-06 08:38 +0000
    Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-06 11:29 -0500
      Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-06 10:59 -0600
        Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-06 12:37 -0500
          Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-06 11:49 -0600
            Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-06 13:28 -0500
              Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2017-03-06 14:47 -0500
            Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.co.uk> - 2017-03-07 08:25 +0000
              Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 07:48 -0500
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-07 13:57 +0100
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 08:18 -0500
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 08:13 -0600
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-03-07 09:44 -0500
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 15:00 +0000
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 14:45 +0000
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 08:52 -0600
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 15:00 +0000
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 09:19 -0600
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 15:48 +0000
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 11:54 -0500
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 11:29 -0600
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 17:44 +0000
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 13:11 -0500
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2017-03-07 18:14 +0000
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 12:32 -0600
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 10:51 -0800
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 15:11 -0500
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-07 21:32 +0100
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 15:45 -0500
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 21:57 +0000
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-07 23:08 +0100
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 14:13 -0800
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-08 00:14 +0100
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 15:33 -0800
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-07 16:22 -0700
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 17:40 -0500
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 23:41 +0000
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms "Greg" <greg.vance@once_gte.com> - 2017-03-10 05:07 +0100
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-10 09:33 +0100
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2017-03-12 05:34 -0400
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 17:39 -0500
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 22:41 +0000
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-07 16:26 -0700
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Anonymous <mix@mail.killinit.pw> - 2017-03-12 12:29 +0300
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2017-03-08 02:40 +0000
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 11:50 -0500
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 17:17 +0000
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 11:22 -0600
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 17:43 +0000
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-07 11:46 -0700
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 10:01 -0800
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 13:10 -0500
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-07 15:40 +0100
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 14:48 +0000
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-07 20:15 +0100
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 19:32 +0000
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-07 21:28 +0100
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 12:31 -0800
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 20:51 +0000
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 11:51 -0800
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 20:49 +0000
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 11:50 -0500
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 14:45 +0000
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 08:51 -0600
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                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 11:53 -0500
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 09:57 -0800
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                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 13:50 -0600
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                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 12:30 -0800
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-03-07 21:37 +0100
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-03-07 12:39 -0800
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                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 14:24 -0600
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                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-07 14:05 -0700
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-07 15:14 -0600
                Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-07 16:55 -0500
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