Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 12:10:56 -0600 Subject: Re: Apple's "keep-them-dumb" overpriced devices lose luster in American classrooms Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10 References: <54WdnYvDl53EAyDFnZ2dnUU7-YnNnZ2d@giganews.com> <9v7rbc1d5pqafuct90889pjp50nickh6jo@4ax.com> <14uvA.82336$vF2.23406@fx46.am4> <48ptbcl2mu0765j69av2cl5ir6dstmavme@4ax.com> From: Alan Browne Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 13:10:56 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <48ptbcl2mu0765j69av2cl5ir6dstmavme@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 58 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-HPJNC/qN+bV39rZGhuLb1oTVSNf+luF0VukCImM0B9bQAD7iVvM7Ib6JVPshLmWQiwZwSeWxyWlAR3A!NVoV8eKwmvxKPQlHRs/NOlUVsFFKv+0UHgYDGbzLc3BtFu8KFWFtsSdwgYyls4E/TaBukZXfLQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 4274 Xref: csiph.com alt.privacy.anon-server:57501 comp.os.linux.advocacy:399838 comp.sys.mac.system:101945 alt.comp.os.windows-10:36201 On 2017-03-07 12:22, chrisv wrote: > Alan Browne wrote: > >> And those computers offered by various mainline manufacturers that were >> cheaper because they came pre-installed with Linux. That should have >> helped. Hasn't. At all. (Dell, HP, IBM). > > After volume discounts and bundleware kick-backs, the "cost" of > Windows to OEM's is very little. Indeed, Micro$oft "incentives" often > make systems with Windows cost LESS that systems without it! Offer some proof with that claim. >> OTOH, Linux in the form of Android has overwhelmed the mobile market; > > The mobile market was still young, and had room for a lower-cost, > higher-choice alternative to iOS. A deep-pocketed corporate sponsor > was able to implement a business plan that would not have worked in > the quite-different desktop software market. > > All this needs to be explained to you, huh? I guess what they say > about the typical Mac user is true. I am about as atypical as they get. You fall true to self-conscious Linux ass hat form with yet another ad hominem attack, however. Wow! I toss up a great example of where Linux dominates (and appropriately so since those copycat hardware makers had no s/w platform of their own to offer). At that, despite saving millions (10's , 100's, more?) they still can't make margins! >> it has overwhelmed the embedded and supercomputer markets while being major >> contributors to the servers and database markets. > > Which demonstrares that there is something exceptional about the > desktop OS market. It's swung so far to one vendor, that no one else > has much of a chance. That includes Apple, which barely makes a dent. $20B a year in Mac sales alone is a nice dent. Especially at Apple's margins! This has grown steadily over the past 20 years - moreso since Apple's switch to intel. (13M units in 2010; 20M units in 2015). In desktop, Mac OS has an 11% share v. <2% for Linux (based on various web trackers). 11% is a dent. <2% is a scratch. M$ total revenue was a mere $85B in 2016. And that covers a lot more than Windows. Meanwhile, Linux desktop continues to fall as an overall percentage. With Linux being a "comer" for the past 20 years, that's not all that encouraging... -- "If war is God's way of teaching Americans geography, then recession is His way of teaching everyone a little economics." ..Raj Patel, The Value of Nothing.