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Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

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On 5/3/17, 7:38 AM, in article op.yzn2xqkzjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 03 May 2017 02:54:40 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/2/17, 5:07 PM, in article op.yzmynal9js98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
>> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ...
>>>>>>> It's as bad as "burrrrglarrrr alarrrrm": https://youtu.be/S5WFl4E8VCI
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>     <https://youtu.be/y8lArz1_jO0>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Surely Germans could be told the shape to make with their mouths.  I
>>>>> severely doubt their facial muscles are any different.
>>>>> 
>>>> What would make you think this had anything to do with different muscles?
>>>> Seems like a very odd jump to me... don't see how you got there.
>>> 
>>> How the hell do you think we make consonants?
>> 
>> Please tell me you are just playing at being lost here... if not I am
>> concerned for you. Maybe you really think making speech sounds is just about
>> the physical way we are made and not how we learn? Try making sounds from
>> some African, Middle Eastern, or Asian languages... not easy of you are not
>> used to it. Heck, try throat singing for a while. :)
> 
> Watch yourself in the mirror making different consonants.  You make shapes
> with your lips and tongue.  That requires the use of different facial muscles.
> Nobody anywhere in the world lacks those muscles, so anyone can make any sound
> when taught how to do so.

The secret there is "when taught" -- the point of these videos is some
sounds take a lot more effort if you have not been. And some sounds you may
never be able to learn to make if you did not learn them when young or do
not spent a LOT of time working on.

From what I have heard, this is very hard to learn if you did not grow up
with it: <https://youtu.be/W6WO5XabD-s>.

Also have heard Vietnamese is hard to learn for people who are not used to
languages which are focused on tone to the degree it (supposedly) is.

Full disclosure: I speak neither. :)

>>>>>> And then there is this... how English sounds to non-English speakers:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>     <https://youtu.be/-VsmF9m_Nt8>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sounds like a whole load of English syllables shoved together.  Reminds me
>>>>> of the spam software that makes random sentences that are quite readable
>>>>> but
>>>>> mean nothing.  You can do it yourself if you turn off you brain:
>>>>> 
>>>> Or what the script-troller and stalker are doing with their flooding
>>>> nonsense. Sigh.
>>>> 
>>>>> Suddenly he invented henceforth that tomorrow should become normal to the
>>>>> kinder pigs, as they became lower then the precipice of eternity.  But
>>>>> without the whaling it was not known that we should refrain from giving up
>>>>> our sandwiches for the daily rituals of hiking towards the momentous
>>>>> occasion that will forever be shorter than what was expected.
>>>> 
>>>> I posted some computer-generated gibberish like that a few years ago. Some
>>>> of those who troll me, including the script-troller, insisted it was
>>>> something other than gibberish. Absolutely hilarious.
>>>> 
>>>>     <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/coherent_gibberish.mov>
>>> 
>>> A video of some usenet posts?  Can't be bothered.
>> 
>> Fair enough.
>> 
>>> Are Apple really still using .mov format?
>> 
>> .mov is a container format, the one .mp4/.m4v is based on... and Apple
>> mostly uses .m4v these days.
> 
> The extension doesn't seem to mean much actually.  There are about 100
> different codecs in common use, but only about 10 extensions.  Doesn't make
> much sense really.

Their are containers and then the codecs they contain. Create a lot of
confusion. And you can have a container that contains multiple things (such
as multiple tracks, text tracks, etc.)

>>>>>>> I was never taught it, but I saw some people doing it and realised it
>>>>>>> was much neater and easier to read, so I do it too.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I home school my kids
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Good for you.  I think ALL kids should be home schooled.  Why let the
>>>>> government brainwash them?
>>>>> 
>>>> Depends on what is best for the family... I do not put down others for
>>>> making different choices.
>>>> 
>>> Why entrust your kids' education to anyone else?  Schools teach them al
>>> sorts of shit, like religious education....
>>> 
>> They do push religion... and that is one reason (of many) why our kids are
>> not there. To be more fair: SOME schools push religion.
> 
> Some push, but they all include it.  The one I went to, and later the one I
> worked at, both teach all religions.  Most of the RE teachers were agnostics -
> I suppose you have to be to teach it.  If you were religious you'd disagree
> with most of what you were teaching, and if you were an atheist you'd disagree
> with all of it.

I have no issue with my kids being exposed to other's religions... and we
talk about such at our house. Many of their friends are quite religious and
they talk about religion with their friends... I have no issue with that,
either.

I *do* have an issue with people pushing their religion. THAT is not
acceptable.

>>>>>> and look at lot of this stuff up.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And what opinion have you formed on it?
>>>> 
>>>> Well, one big one is most adults have horrid grammar. :)
>>> 
>>> I'm not fussy, as long as it's understandable.  Mind you the twat in here
>>> that
>>> uses no capital letters has pissed me off enough to killfile him.
>> 
>> I have pet peeves of people who use "good" and "well" incorrectly and a few
>> other things. But in text I am far more forgiving for some reason. Not
>> saying that is consistent. :)
> 
> How can you use those wrongly?  "I'm having a well time"?  Nobody would say
> that.

You did good there. :)

>>>> Also there is no one "right" way with a lot of things... we think of
>>>> grammar
>>>> as "the rules" but "the rules" change and different groups see them
>>>> differently. Look up the "right" way to write cursive, for a related
>>>> example. Oy!
>>> 
>>> Agreed.  I also don't believe in rules for driving :-)
>> 
>> Well, driving on the left or right side of the road is the correct way...
>> depending on where you are. :)
> 
> Not if there's nothing coming the other way and you're going fast round a
> corner.

In my 20s I worked at a camp in Pennsylvania where a lot of British worked.
After camp I went back home to Las Vegas... and after camp many of the Brits
took tours of the US, with Vegas being a common spot to want to go so I had
a lot of visitors. The group that stayed the longest was one of five women
who were using GreyHound to get across the country and back. They stayed
with me for a couple weeks, and during that time we went to visit the Grand
Canyon. I got tired on the way there and let one of them drive... which
given how tired she was might not have been a great idea: she started
driving on the "wrong" side of the road. I started by gently letting her
know but she was in her own world... she finally pulled to the right when
she could see a car coming directly at us. She was more careful after that.
:)

>>>>> That brings me onto another annoyance.  I detest people using an
>>>>> apostrophe
>>>>> instead of a quotation mark:
>>>>> 'No need for that,' said Zack.
>>>> 
>>>> Ok, if you have a quote within a quote do you use a single or double on the
>>>> internal quote?
>>> 
>>> Single, to differentiate.  But quotes should normally use a ", a ' is an
>>> apostrophe for a missing letter.
>> 
>> For the most part I agree on that one.
> 
> It annoys me when people say "quote unquote" before saying something.  I
> always tell them to put the unquote at the end.

I have looked that up in the past... I believe it is considered proper when
used verbally and the quote is made clear with tones. Still, I prefer what
you describe.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-02 20:04 +0100
  Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-02 12:19 -0700
    Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ron C <r.capik@verizon.net> - 2017-05-02 15:51 -0400
      Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-02 21:07 +0100
      Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-02 13:59 -0700
    Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-02 21:14 +0100
      Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-02 14:07 -0700
        Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-03 01:07 +0100
          Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-02 18:54 -0700
            Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-03 15:38 +0100
              Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-03 10:02 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-03 16:22 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-03 13:40 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-03 17:01 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-03 14:25 -0700
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              Snit digest 436 / 2017-05-04 Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-05-03 22:06 +0000
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              Re: Snit digest 435 / 2017-05-03 "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-08 00:04 +0100
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